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Jeppesen Garmin Nav Updates
Sam Spade wrote:
Frank Stutzman wrote: Sam Spade wrote: A lot of effort goes into compiling the data; waypoints, nav aids, frequencies, airport data, special use airspace boundaries and altitudes, etc, etc. Most of which is done on the tax payers dime. Yes, Jeppesen does add value. For example, they compile it into different formats for vendors as well as a lot of cross checking and data validation. However, the real hefty lifting is done by government agencies. As the end consumer essentially ends up paying for the base information twice (once to Jeppesen and once through their taxes), I'll side with the OP and say that Jeppesen is indeed overpriced. And, the companies, Jeppesen and Garmin, aren't in business for the fun of it. Yup, and they are welcome to charge as much as they can get for it. And they can charge a lot for it because they are the only game in town. However, if there was any other source for this information, you can bet I for one would be encouraging the competition. The taxpayers pay for instrument approach procedures and route/development maintenance. The nav database is of little use to anyone until Jeppesen does a lot of work on it. Special use airspace boundaries are painstakenly reconstructed by Jeppesen from the arcane rule-making source. NACO has to do the same to make Sectionals and TACs, and those aren't exactly free, either. The compliation of airport, nav-aid and comm frequencies from many sources isn't easy, either. The taxpayer is being had by the fact NACO gives away its approach charts. Those are distinct and separate from the development of the IAP. No other country in the world gives away their approach charts. That's not completely true, go to http://ais.fi/, click the IN ENGLISH tab and then eAIP link. You will get the whole AIP, including all route and approach charts. A similar system is at least on the Estonian AIP pages. -- Tauno Voipio (CPL(A), SE + ME IR) tauno voipio (at) iki fi |
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Jeppesen Garmin Nav Updates
Tauno Voipio wrote:
Sam Spade wrote: Frank Stutzman wrote: Sam Spade wrote: A lot of effort goes into compiling the data; waypoints, nav aids, frequencies, airport data, special use airspace boundaries and altitudes, etc, etc. Most of which is done on the tax payers dime. Yes, Jeppesen does add value. For example, they compile it into different formats for vendors as well as a lot of cross checking and data validation. However, the real hefty lifting is done by government agencies. As the end consumer essentially ends up paying for the base information twice (once to Jeppesen and once through their taxes), I'll side with the OP and say that Jeppesen is indeed overpriced. And, the companies, Jeppesen and Garmin, aren't in business for the fun of it. Yup, and they are welcome to charge as much as they can get for it. And they can charge a lot for it because they are the only game in town. However, if there was any other source for this information, you can bet I for one would be encouraging the competition. The taxpayers pay for instrument approach procedures and route/development maintenance. The nav database is of little use to anyone until Jeppesen does a lot of work on it. Special use airspace boundaries are painstakenly reconstructed by Jeppesen from the arcane rule-making source. NACO has to do the same to make Sectionals and TACs, and those aren't exactly free, either. The compliation of airport, nav-aid and comm frequencies from many sources isn't easy, either. The taxpayer is being had by the fact NACO gives away its approach charts. Those are distinct and separate from the development of the IAP. No other country in the world gives away their approach charts. That's not completely true, go to http://ais.fi/, click the IN ENGLISH tab and then eAIP link. You will get the whole AIP, including all route and approach charts. A similar system is at least on the Estonian AIP pages. Because I told speak Fin I don't know what that is all about. If the data are current that are the exception. And, I don't need to learn seversl chart formats to fly internationally. |
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Jeppesen Garmin Nav Updates
Sam Spade wrote:
Tauno Voipio wrote: Sam Spade wrote: Frank Stutzman wrote: Sam Spade wrote: A lot of effort goes into compiling the data; waypoints, nav aids, frequencies, airport data, special use airspace boundaries and altitudes, etc, etc. Most of which is done on the tax payers dime. Yes, Jeppesen does add value. For example, they compile it into different formats for vendors as well as a lot of cross checking and data validation. However, the real hefty lifting is done by government agencies. As the end consumer essentially ends up paying for the base information twice (once to Jeppesen and once through their taxes), I'll side with the OP and say that Jeppesen is indeed overpriced. And, the companies, Jeppesen and Garmin, aren't in business for the fun of it. Yup, and they are welcome to charge as much as they can get for it. And they can charge a lot for it because they are the only game in town. However, if there was any other source for this information, you can bet I for one would be encouraging the competition. The taxpayers pay for instrument approach procedures and route/development maintenance. The nav database is of little use to anyone until Jeppesen does a lot of work on it. Special use airspace boundaries are painstakenly reconstructed by Jeppesen from the arcane rule-making source. NACO has to do the same to make Sectionals and TACs, and those aren't exactly free, either. The compliation of airport, nav-aid and comm frequencies from many sources isn't easy, either. The taxpayer is being had by the fact NACO gives away its approach charts. Those are distinct and separate from the development of the IAP. No other country in the world gives away their approach charts. That's not completely true, go to http://ais.fi/, click the IN ENGLISH tab and then eAIP link. You will get the whole AIP, including all route and approach charts. A similar system is at least on the Estonian AIP pages. Because I told speak Fin I don't know what that is all about. If the data are current that are the exception. And, I don't need to learn seversl chart formats to fly internationally. Please read again: CLICK THE IN ENGLISH TAB, and try again. There is an ICAO standard format for the charts, which our AIS follows to the letter. -- Tauno Voipio |
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Jeppesen Garmin Nav Updates
VOR-DME wrote:
In article , lid says... That's not completely true, go to http://ais.fi/, click the IN ENGLISH tab and then eAIP link. You will get the whole AIP, including all route and approach charts. A similar system is at least on the Estonian AIP pages. Because I told speak Fin I don't know what that is all about. If the data are current that are the exception. And, I don't need to learn seversl chart formats to fly internationally. Please read again: CLICK THE IN ENGLISH TAB, and try again. There is an ICAO standard format for the charts, which our AIS follows to the letter. -- It may not be that simple. US users are familiar with the TERPS presentation, which is not used in most of Europe. Pans-Ops is similar, but does require some further study to interpret all the details correctly. Jeppesen regroups the information in a familiar way in all countries, and this can be a real help, rather than having to learn new charting conventions every hal-hour as you cross from one smallish country to the next. By curiosity, do you have a similar link for the Latvian and Lithuanian charts, in English? Hello, Sorry - I have not needed to go so far away without the built-in Jeppesen in G1000 of our DA-42. (Actually it's not very far - the Latvian border is about an hour's flight from my home base, EFHF, Helsinki-Malmi.) Also, the international cooperation in my work has been principally limited to Estonia in the southerly direction. -- Tauno Voipio tauno voipio (at) iki fi |
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