V-8 powered Seabee

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:37:37 +0000, Bob Kuykendall wrote:

You might think it's funny, and in a way maybe it is funny.

No it is not funny. The discussions here are saved to many databases and
threads are not always kept together. There is no guarantee Bart's
second mail will stay together with his childish attempt to make a joke
using someone else's identity.

Thanks for pointing that out, Bob.

Bart: if you want to improve the noise level here stop picking on those
you don't agree with. Or get a life.

- Holger

Holger,

I don't think you get it. I wrote a few emails critical
of Bob, and he has written dozens of critical emails about
auto-conversions without a complaint.

If you notice, my emails generated REAL feedback on auto
conversions.

I'm sure Bob's Ego will heal and maybe he'll be a more
beneficial contributor to this group.

That's my hope.

Bart
--
Bart D. Hull

Tempe, Arizona

Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/engine.html
for my Subaru Engine Conversion
Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/fuselage.html
for Tango II I'm building.
Holger Stephan wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:37:37 +0000, Bob Kuykendall wrote:


You might think it's funny, and in a way maybe it is funny.


No it is not funny. The discussions here are saved to many databases and
threads are not always kept together. There is no guarantee Bart's
second mail will stay together with his childish attempt to make a joke
using someone else's identity.

Thanks for pointing that out, Bob.

Bart: if you want to improve the noise level here stop picking on those
you don't agree with. Or get a life.

- Holger

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:05:23 +0000, Bart D. Hull wrote:

I don't think you get it. I wrote a few emails critical
of Bob, and he has written dozens of critical emails about
auto-conversions without a complaint.

If it is as you say, Bob commented on the matter and you on his person.
Which is what I refered to as noise. Bob won't change and particularily
not in reaction to your attacks. Or, probably in reaction to anything that
comes from someone with 20 years less aviation than he has.

- Holger

I don't think you get it. I wrote a few emails critical
of Bob, and he has written dozens of critical emails about
auto-conversions without a complaint.

If it is as you say, Bob commented on the matter and you on his person.
Which is what I refered to as noise. Bob won't change and particularily
not in reaction to your attacks. Or, probably in reaction to anything that
comes from someone with 20 years less aviation than he has.

- Holger
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Bart informed me that he is 35 years old.
I am nearly 66.

In some ways, I wish Bart was my eldest son.
He would hold a Masters in Mechanical Engineering
and an MBA plus nearly a decade experience as senior
turbine design engineer for two Fortune 50 companies.
He would also hold a Commercial pilot certificate,
multi engine rating, instrument ticket and CFI rating.

Relating to an immature Bart is infinitely more difficult
than dealing with a youthful educated man of advanced
credentials and experience.


Barnyard BOb -- over 50 years of flight

Bob,

What makes you think I don't have "credentials" or
various flight certs? Even as a "youngster" at 35.

I was attacking your personal vendetta on auto-conversions
that seemed rather lacking in basis.

If I were your son, I'd expect more discussion and less
doctrine. If you can't suggest or support improvement of
anyone elses projects or ideas, how can a person grow
or develop new ideas?

Bart

--
Bart D. Hull

Tempe, Arizona

Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/engine.html
for my Subaru Engine Conversion
Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/fuselage.html
for Tango II I'm building.



Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
I don't think you get it. I wrote a few emails critical
of Bob, and he has written dozens of critical emails about
auto-conversions without a complaint.

If it is as you say, Bob commented on the matter and you on his person.
Which is what I refered to as noise. Bob won't change and particularily
not in reaction to your attacks. Or, probably in reaction to anything that
comes from someone with 20 years less aviation than he has.

- Holger

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Bart informed me that he is 35 years old.
I am nearly 66.

In some ways, I wish Bart was my eldest son.
He would hold a Masters in Mechanical Engineering
and an MBA plus nearly a decade experience as senior
turbine design engineer for two Fortune 50 companies.
He would also hold a Commercial pilot certificate,
multi engine rating, instrument ticket and CFI rating.

Relating to an immature Bart is infinitely more difficult
than dealing with a youthful educated man of advanced
credentials and experience.


Barnyard BOb -- over 50 years of flight

Bob,

What makes you think I don't have "credentials" or
various flight certs? Even as a "youngster" at 35.

Your behavior.

Post what you got.
Embarrass me.
Show everybody how badly I missed the boat.
Now's your opportunity to really shine.
Go for it.
Let's see what a poor judge of character I am. g

Psssst. - No fibbing allowed.

I was attacking your personal vendetta on auto-conversions
that seemed rather lacking in basis.

Bart

Sorry, but you have attacked my name, changed my posts,
and ridiculed me on a personal basis because of my opinions.
If you have a different view, that's fine. It's time to move on at
long last. There is nothing to be gained by either of us engaging
each other now or into the foreseeable future. I'm finished
responding to you. Post your credentials and certs as your
last hurrah. So.. the last word is now yours. Have at it.


Barnyard BOb -- over 50 years of flight

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:22:41 -0700, "Bart D. Hull"
wrote:

Bob,

What makes you think I don't have "credentials" or
various flight certs? Even as a "youngster" at 35.

I was attacking your personal vendetta on auto-conversions
that seemed rather lacking in basis.

If I were your son, I'd expect more discussion and less
doctrine. If you can't suggest or support improvement of
anyone elses projects or ideas, how can a person grow
or develop new ideas?

Bart

Know why they call him "barnyard" Bob?
Cause he's both a S**t disturber, and full of S**t.
You and I will never change his mind. 66 years of bullheaded Dogma is
a terminal condition. There is no proof that could possibly be
provided that will change this old codger's mind (and heck, 66 isn't
OLD, for crying out loud - it's about the median age of the typical
EAA chapter).
He's all but calling the designer and owners of these conversions
liars, and unrealistic, overly optimistic fools, without ever having
met them, or seen the conversions.
I've met them. I've seen them. They are neither.

clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote:


Know why they call him "barnyard" Bob?
Cause he's both a S**t disturber, and full of S**t.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Clare...
I thought you were above this sort of cheap s**t.
Shame, shame, shame on you.

FWIW --
I embrace "Barnyard BOb" because of the low collective
animalistic behavior that the RAH BARNYARD exhibits from time
to time. Your vitriolic fomenting exhibition here proves the point
far too sadly. Begone with the rest of the auto conversion loons.
You too, have begun to serve your cause quite poorly. Future
rants from you will be filtered out.

Barnyard BOb --
The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog....
and George Carlin humor.

Holger,

I don't think you get it. I wrote a few emails critical
of Bob, and he has written dozens of critical emails about
auto-conversions without a complaint.

If you notice, my emails generated REAL feedback on auto
conversions.

I'm sure Bob's Ego will heal and maybe he'll be a more
beneficial contributor to this group.

That's my hope.

Bart
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Sorry Bart,
Your emails, for the most part, attack ME...
not my position on auto conversions which
you have yet to comprehend.

I am NOT against auto conversions.
I'm against simplistic auto conversion bull****.

*YOU'RE* the one who doesn't "get it".


Barnyard BOb --

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:23:45 -0500, Barnyard BOb --
wrote:


Holger,

I don't think you get it. I wrote a few emails critical
of Bob, and he has written dozens of critical emails about
auto-conversions without a complaint.

If you notice, my emails generated REAL feedback on auto
conversions.

I'm sure Bob's Ego will heal and maybe he'll be a more
beneficial contributor to this group.

That's my hope.

Bart
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Sorry Bart,
Your emails, for the most part, attack ME...
not my position on auto conversions which
you have yet to comprehend.

I am NOT against auto conversions.
I'm against simplistic auto conversion bull****.

*YOU'RE* the one who doesn't "get it".


Barnyard BOb --
And exactly what is "simplistic" about the conversion under
discussion?? They have taken extreme pains to do things RIGHT. The
only thing that can be construed as "simplistic" is the fact they
adhere to the KISS principal. Use what has been proven to work. Change
only what is necessary, and then do not use unproven changes.
The engine calibration they are using is proven over millions of Kms
on land based apps. All the Saudis and other rich folks of the third
world, and half of eastern Europe driving late model high end GMs are
running the same, factory supplied code. This is because lead free gas
cannot be guaranteed available in better than half the world, even
today.
The proof is in the pudding. These 'Bees DO fly. I see and hear one
of them flying overhead here several times a week. Up to this point
they have been rock solid, dependable.
As for WHY install an auto conversion??
What other engine do you put into these old birds - the "factory"
engine has been out of production for decades - and the installed base
has exhausted the supply of many important replacement parts.
Converting to another existing aviation engine would be almost as
involved as the auto conversion, and a whole lot less "fun".
This IS "RECREATIONAL" aircraft, is it not??? And what can beat the
recreational value of being able to fly into a remote lake to go
fishing or hunting in your antique amphibian, without having to worry
that if something goes wrong it may be after freezeup before the
required part can be located, much less shipped up and installed to
get you out? And the comfort of being able to sit in the air
conditioned, temperature controlled cabin - comfortable in shirt
sleeves in any weather? For guys in the "snack bracket" these fellows
are in, it is not so much a matter of cost. The fact the parts are
available, regardless of cost, is more important than the "fact" that
parts are less expensive. The fact they will be available in another
20 or 25 years is another factor.
The fact that a new, current technology engine is statistically more
reliable than a patched together (by necessity) heavily used, heavily
stressed, high hour antique aircraft engine is another bonus.
Sure, they could buy a brand new Lake, or other current production
Amphib with a certified engine -but then all the old Republics would
either be in museums or scrapyards. They are too unique to suffer that
fate.