What a shock!!! Lockheed is over budget on the F-35

I've seen the thing about assembly going back to the old way rather
than doing it modular like they did with the F-22 but I've never seen
the 35% increase in weight mentioned anywhere. I'd think 35% would
make headlines EVERYWHERE

It wouldn't matter what was pubished, Ferrin. You would still make the same
ass of yourself WRT Lockmart products.


Hey splapsy, were's those strake pictures?

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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I've seen the thing about assembly going back to the old way rather
than doing it modular like they did with the F-22 but I've never seen
the 35% increase in weight mentioned anywhere. I'd think 35% would
make headlines EVERYWHERE

It wouldn't matter what was pubished, Ferrin. You would still make the
same
ass of yourself WRT Lockmart products.


Hey splapsy, were's those strake pictures?

If it were not for John Cook and the Brit and Aussie press, Americans would
not have access to what Lockmart's airplane programs are doing. There is a
little in the
WSJ, but lockheed seems pretty good at creating a bad news blackout.

I John Cook for posting truth here.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:32:20 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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I've seen the thing about assembly going back to the old way rather
than doing it modular like they did with the F-22 but I've never seen
the 35% increase in weight mentioned anywhere. I'd think 35% would
make headlines EVERYWHERE

It wouldn't matter what was pubished, Ferrin. You would still make the
same
ass of yourself WRT Lockmart products.


Hey splapsy, were's those strake pictures?

If it were not for John Cook and the Brit and Aussie press, Americans would
not have access to what Lockmart's airplane programs are doing. There is a
little in the
WSJ, but lockheed seems pretty good at creating a bad news blackout.

I John Cook for posting truth here.



No strakes huh? Didn't think so.

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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No strakes huh? Didn't think so.

I can dig you up articles where Lockmart suggests they will be trying
strakes and then another where Lockmart calls strakes the least apealing
solution to their "buffeting" problems, but you could do that yourself.

Anyway, thanks John Cook, keep up the honest work.

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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snip
No strakes huh? Didn't think so.

I can dig you up articles where Lockmart suggests they will be trying
strakes and then another where Lockmart calls strakes the least apealing
solution to their "buffeting" problems, but you could do that yourself.

If those articles actually existed.

There aren't any on the Web, aside from a few hits on the bombs carried
by the F-22 (they attach strakes to the sides of the JDAM).

So, since you *can* dig them up, you should.

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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:08:25 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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snip
No strakes huh? Didn't think so.

I can dig you up articles where Lockmart suggests they will be trying
strakes and then another where Lockmart calls strakes the least apealing
solution to their "buffeting" problems, but you could do that yourself.

"Suggesting it" and actually doing it are two entirely different
matters. That they mentioned the possibility of strakes isn't the
issue here ( I read a long time ago that they were *considering* them
as a last resort). You've stated repeatedly that they have them.
First you claimed that the production models had them until you were
called on it and photos showed that they didn't have them. Then you
said only some of them had them but when we asked for vehicle numbers
you couldn't give them and when we looked at photos none of them had
them. Now you are backpeddling further by saying essentially "well
Lockheed said they might try them". Is it any wonder you've taken so
much **** over it? I realize the concept of you being wrong about
anything is completely alien to you but if you'd admit you're wrong
when it obvious (and I suspect you know when you're wrong) you'd gain
a measure of respect here rather than the constant ridecule. That's
just some friendly advise, take it or leave it.

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:08:25 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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snip
No strakes huh? Didn't think so.

I can dig you up articles where Lockmart suggests they will be trying
strakes and then another where Lockmart calls strakes the least apealing
solution to their "buffeting" problems, but you could do that yourself.

"Suggesting it" and actually doing it are two entirely different
matters.

You already know Lockmart did use strakes, from your other post.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:32:36 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:08:25 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
.. .

snip
No strakes huh? Didn't think so.

I can dig you up articles where Lockmart suggests they will be trying
strakes and then another where Lockmart calls strakes the least apealing
solution to their "buffeting" problems, but you could do that yourself.

"Suggesting it" and actually doing it are two entirely different
matters.

You already know Lockmart did use strakes, from your other post.



You shouldn't have any trouble quoting it then. All I've ever said is
that "they were considering them as a last resort."

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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Hey splapsy, were's those strake pictures?

If it were not for John Cook and the Brit and Aussie press, Americans
would not have access to what Lockmart's airplane programs are doing.
There is a little in the WSJ, but lockheed seems pretty good at
creating a bad news blackout.

Translation: "The Eeeevil Lockheed Anti-Tarver Conspiracy is keeping the
F-22 strake photos from the world."

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Slam on brakes accordingly.

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
...


Hey splapsy, were's those strake pictures?

If it were not for John Cook and the Brit and Aussie press, Americans
would not have access to what Lockmart's airplane programs are doing.
There is a little in the WSJ, but lockheed seems pretty good at
creating a bad news blackout.

Translation: "The Eeeevil Lockheed Anti-Tarver Conspiracy is keeping the
F-22 strake photos from the world."

Lockmart is a customer.