What a shock!!! Lockheed is over budget on the F-35

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Hey splapsy, were's those strake pictures?

If it were not for John Cook and the Brit and Aussie press, Americans
would not have access to what Lockmart's airplane programs are doing.
There is a little in the WSJ, but lockheed seems pretty good at
creating a bad news blackout.

Translation: "The Eeeevil Lockheed Anti-Tarver Conspiracy is keeping the
F-22 strake photos from the world."

Lockmart is a customer.

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote:

Translation: "The Eeeevil Lockheed Anti-Tarver Conspiracy is
keeping the F-22 strake photos from the world."

Lockmart is a customer.

Sure they are. Which is why they put up with the false comments you, as
a vendor, keep making on a regular basis.

Yeah, they're famous for being so understanding about that sort of thing.

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote:

Translation: "The Eeeevil Lockheed Anti-Tarver Conspiracy is
keeping the F-22 strake photos from the world."

Lockmart is a customer.

Sure they are. Which is why they put up with the false comments you, as
a vendor, keep making on a regular basis.

I only quote public sector published information on the F-22. Except for
the departure from controlled flight attempted cover up, but that was common
knowledge on eddies. It may take a Super Eagle to replace the F-15, much
like the bug.

As to the F-35, I have been a consistent supporter.

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

I only quote public sector published information on the F-22.

Except for the stuff you can't quote, like the strakes thing.

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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I only quote public sector published information on the F-22.

Except for the stuff you can't quote, like the strakes thing.

Even the Lockmart email posted here assuring us that the titanium tail spar
is the fix for the F-22's tail problems mentions the strakes, Chad.

this thread is about problems with the F-35, please focus.

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

I only quote public sector published information on the F-22.

Except for the stuff you can't quote, like the strakes thing.

Even the Lockmart email posted here assuring us that the titanium tail spar
is the fix for the F-22's tail problems mentions the strakes, Chad.

Funny, I can't seem to find that in Google. Refresh our memory on that
one (or are you imagining it again?).

this thread is about problems with the F-35, please focus.

But *this* part of the thread is about your tenuous connection with
reality. And funny how it wasn't about the F-35 when you posted this:

I can dig you up articles where Lockmart suggests they will be trying
strakes and then another where Lockmart calls strakes the least apealing
solution to their "buffeting" problems, but you could do that yourself.

Still waiting for that "digging," Tarver.

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

I only quote public sector published information on the F-22.

Except for the stuff you can't quote, like the strakes thing.

Even the Lockmart email posted here assuring us that the titanium tail
spar
is the fix for the F-22's tail problems mentions the strakes, Chad.

Funny, I can't seem to find that in Google. Refresh our memory on that
one (or are you imagining it again?).

It was posted here for all to see, Chad.

Your cognitive abilities are not my problem.

Now, get back to discussing the F-35's problems.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:26:40 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

I only quote public sector published information on the F-22.

Except for the stuff you can't quote, like the strakes thing.

Even the Lockmart email posted here assuring us that the titanium tail spar
is the fix for the F-22's tail problems mentions the strakes, Chad.

Glad you brought that up. Show us where it says they where the
mention strakes other than to say the F-22 has never had them?

"i am participating in the newsgroup rec.aviation.military where the
discussion centers around the existence or lack thereof of "strakes"
or "air dams" in and around the vertical stabilizers of the F22.

the general consensus is that there were some affixed temporarily
after a problem was discovered, but that an engineering fix has made
them unnecessary, and for obvious reasons relating to stealth
characteristics, they have not been retained.

the quote in question is:
"The wing parts were added to correct the wash across the tail
occurring for the "entire flight envelope". Unless Lockmart has
addressed the tail crack issue in a different manner, the 8 inch
wing "reflectors" have to be there."

so, does the F-22 have such an attachment?
(assuming, of course, that this information is not classified.)

thanks in advance for your organization's time in this small matter.

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The discussion you've included is a bit mixed. There were two issues
that I think have become confused.

The first was a "tail crack" issue with the HORIZONTAL stabilators.
The composite skins were delaminating (pulling off the internal
structure). We redesigned the stabilator to include more titanium and
its working.

The fin buffet or tail flutter issue involved the VERTICAL
stabilizers,
which was fixed by stiffening the internal structure with additional
titanium.

There are no air dams or strakes or anything else. Here is a recent
photo -- you should be able to see how smooth the jets external mold
lines are.

Thanks for asking,

Greg"

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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"i am participating in the newsgroup rec.aviation.military where the
discussion centers around the existence or lack thereof of "strakes"
or "air dams" in and around the vertical stabilizers of the F22.

the general consensus is that there were some affixed temporarily
after a problem was discovered,

So, in fact, reguardless of your partisan pratle, there were strakes on the
F-22.