visualisation of the lift distribution over a wing

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
"Morgans" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote
Anyone who thinks that the pressure of a fluid on a surface can act in
any direction but towards the surface is simply wrong.
I see. You are not lookng at the wing as a system, but taking an
observation at one point only, without reguard to what is happening around
it.

Point made.

Nope.

I'm making the point that the upper surface contributes absolutely *no*
lifting force.

None.

Zero.

In fact, it provides a downward force. Every time.



Sorry, Alan, old boy, I find must disagree.

In actuality, BOTH surfaces are below ambient pressure.
('splain why?)

But without that reduction of the pressure across the top curve of the wing,
the pressure below it can't do much at all, can it?

In article ,
cavelamb wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
"Morgans" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote
Anyone who thinks that the pressure of a fluid on a surface can act in
any direction but towards the surface is simply wrong.
I see. You are not lookng at the wing as a system, but taking an
observation at one point only, without reguard to what is happening around
it.

Point made.

Nope.

I'm making the point that the upper surface contributes absolutely *no*
lifting force.

None.

Zero.

In fact, it provides a downward force. Every time.



Sorry, Alan, old boy, I find must disagree.

Disagree all you want, it won't make the upper surface of the wing
experience anything but a downward force.


In actuality, BOTH surfaces are below ambient pressure.
('splain why?)

Bernoulli.


But without that reduction of the pressure across the top curve of the wing,
the pressure below it can't do much at all, can it?

Which I never disagreed with.

But anyone who thinks the upper surface of the wing is experiencing
anything but a downward force is just sadly misinformed.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
cavelamb wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
"Morgans" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote
Anyone who thinks that the pressure of a fluid on a surface can act in
any direction but towards the surface is simply wrong.
I see. You are not lookng at the wing as a system, but taking an
observation at one point only, without reguard to what is happening around
it.

Point made.
Nope.

I'm making the point that the upper surface contributes absolutely *no*
lifting force.

None.

Zero.

In fact, it provides a downward force. Every time.


Sorry, Alan, old boy, I find must disagree.

Disagree all you want, it won't make the upper surface of the wing
experience anything but a downward force.

In actuality, BOTH surfaces are below ambient pressure.
('splain why?)

Bernoulli.

But without that reduction of the pressure across the top curve of the wing,
the pressure below it can't do much at all, can it?

Which I never disagreed with.

But anyone who thinks the upper surface of the wing is experiencing
anything but a downward force is just sadly misinformed.


Ok, be that way.

I actually see what you are trying to say.
And, have no real issues with it.

Myopic, but not technically incorrect.

Richard

(That's just my own opinion, but it works for me)

In article ,
cavelamb wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
cavelamb wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
"Morgans" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote
Anyone who thinks that the pressure of a fluid on a surface can act in
any direction but towards the surface is simply wrong.
I see. You are not lookng at the wing as a system, but taking an
observation at one point only, without reguard to what is happening
around
it.

Point made.
Nope.

I'm making the point that the upper surface contributes absolutely *no*
lifting force.

None.

Zero.

In fact, it provides a downward force. Every time.


Sorry, Alan, old boy, I find must disagree.

Disagree all you want, it won't make the upper surface of the wing
experience anything but a downward force.

In actuality, BOTH surfaces are below ambient pressure.
('splain why?)

Bernoulli.

But without that reduction of the pressure across the top curve of the
wing,
the pressure below it can't do much at all, can it?

Which I never disagreed with.

But anyone who thinks the upper surface of the wing is experiencing
anything but a downward force is just sadly misinformed.


Ok, be that way.

Be what way: accurate? Thanks, I think I will.


I actually see what you are trying to say.
And, have no real issues with it.

Then why say: "I find I must disagree".


Myopic, but not technically incorrect.

Not myopic: accurate. Understand the world AS IT IS.


Richard

(That's just my own opinion, but it works for me)

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
cavelamb wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
cavelamb wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
"Morgans" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote
Anyone who thinks that the pressure of a fluid on a surface can act in
any direction but towards the surface is simply wrong.
I see. You are not lookng at the wing as a system, but taking an
observation at one point only, without reguard to what is happening
around
it.

Point made.
Nope.

I'm making the point that the upper surface contributes absolutely *no*
lifting force.

None.

Zero.

In fact, it provides a downward force. Every time.

Sorry, Alan, old boy, I find must disagree.
Disagree all you want, it won't make the upper surface of the wing
experience anything but a downward force.

In actuality, BOTH surfaces are below ambient pressure.
('splain why?)
Bernoulli.

But without that reduction of the pressure across the top curve of the
wing,
the pressure below it can't do much at all, can it?
Which I never disagreed with.

But anyone who thinks the upper surface of the wing is experiencing
anything but a downward force is just sadly misinformed.

Ok, be that way.

Be what way: accurate? Thanks, I think I will.

I actually see what you are trying to say.
And, have no real issues with it.

Then why say: "I find I must disagree".

Myopic, but not technically incorrect.

Not myopic: accurate. Understand the world AS IT IS.

Richard

(That's just my own opinion, but it works for me)


Einstein's greatest gift what that of Relativity.
Each has his own unique perception based on location
relative to an event.

Each sees something different - but ALL can understand
the other's perceptions.

And here you are claiming all truth...

In article ,
cavelamb wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
cavelamb wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
cavelamb wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
"Morgans" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote
Anyone who thinks that the pressure of a fluid on a surface can act in
any direction but towards the surface is simply wrong.
I see. You are not lookng at the wing as a system, but taking an
observation at one point only, without reguard to what is happening
around
it.

Point made.
Nope.

I'm making the point that the upper surface contributes absolutely *no*
lifting force.

None.

Zero.

In fact, it provides a downward force. Every time.

Sorry, Alan, old boy, I find must disagree.
Disagree all you want, it won't make the upper surface of the wing
experience anything but a downward force.

In actuality, BOTH surfaces are below ambient pressure.
('splain why?)
Bernoulli.

But without that reduction of the pressure across the top curve of the
wing,
the pressure below it can't do much at all, can it?
Which I never disagreed with.

But anyone who thinks the upper surface of the wing is experiencing
anything but a downward force is just sadly misinformed.

Ok, be that way.

Be what way: accurate? Thanks, I think I will.

I actually see what you are trying to say.
And, have no real issues with it.

Then why say: "I find I must disagree".

Myopic, but not technically incorrect.

Not myopic: accurate. Understand the world AS IT IS.

Richard

(That's just my own opinion, but it works for me)


Einstein's greatest gift what that of Relativity.
Each has his own unique perception based on location
relative to an event.

Each sees something different - but ALL can understand
the other's perceptions.

And here you are claiming all truth...

Nope. Not *all* truth. One truth:

The top of a wing doesn't *pull* an aircraft up, it just pushes down
less than the bottom surface pushes up.

And that is the truth. Period. Full stop.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

On Nov 29, 11:19*pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,





*cavelamb wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
*"Morgans" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote
Anyone who thinks that the pressure of a fluid on a surface can act in
any direction but towards the surface is simply wrong.
I see. *You are not lookng at the wing as a system, but taking an
observation at one point only, without reguard to what is happening around
it.

Point made.

Nope.

I'm making the point that the upper surface contributes absolutely *no*
lifting force.

None.

Zero.

In fact, it provides a downward force. Every time.

Sorry, Alan, old boy, I find must disagree.

Disagree all you want, it won't make the upper surface of the wing
experience anything but a downward force.



In actuality, BOTH surfaces are below ambient pressure.
('splain why?)

Bernoulli.



But without that reduction of the pressure across the top curve of the wing,
the pressure below it can't do much at all, can it?

Which I never disagreed with.

But anyone who thinks the upper surface of the wing is experiencing
anything but a downward force is just sadly misinformed.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When I fly my Cheerokee I can detect a slight bulge in the upper
skin. For what it's worth.

Ed

In article
,
et wrote:

On Nov 29, 11:19*pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,





*cavelamb wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
*"Morgans" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote
Anyone who thinks that the pressure of a fluid on a surface can act
in
any direction but towards the surface is simply wrong.
I see. *You are not lookng at the wing as a system, but taking an
observation at one point only, without reguard to what is happening
around
it.

Point made.

Nope.

I'm making the point that the upper surface contributes absolutely *no*
lifting force.

None.

Zero.

In fact, it provides a downward force. Every time.

Sorry, Alan, old boy, I find must disagree.

Disagree all you want, it won't make the upper surface of the wing
experience anything but a downward force.



In actuality, BOTH surfaces are below ambient pressure.
('splain why?)

Bernoulli.



But without that reduction of the pressure across the top curve of the
wing,
the pressure below it can't do much at all, can it?

Which I never disagreed with.

But anyone who thinks the upper surface of the wing is experiencing
anything but a downward force is just sadly misinformed.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

When I fly my Cheerokee I can detect a slight bulge in the upper
skin. For what it's worth.

Ed

Great. Do you think that is caused by the air above the skin pulling on
it?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

On Nov 30, 8:53*am, Alan Baker wrote:
In article
,





*et wrote:
On Nov 29, 11:19*pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,

*cavelamb wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
*"Morgans" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote
Anyone who thinks that the pressure of a fluid on a surface can act
in
any direction but towards the surface is simply wrong.
I see. *You are not lookng at the wing as a system, but taking an
observation at one point only, without reguard to what is happening
around
it.

Point made.

Nope.

I'm making the point that the upper surface contributes absolutely *no*
lifting force.

None.

Zero.

In fact, it provides a downward force. Every time.

Sorry, Alan, old boy, I find must disagree.

Disagree all you want, it won't make the upper surface of the wing
experience anything but a downward force.

In actuality, BOTH surfaces are below ambient pressure.
('splain why?)

Bernoulli.

But without that reduction of the pressure across the top curve of the
wing,
the pressure below it can't do much at all, can it?

Which I never disagreed with.

But anyone who thinks the upper surface of the wing is experiencing
anything but a downward force is just sadly misinformed.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

When I fly my Cheerokee I can detect a slight bulge in the upper
skin. * For what it's worth.

Ed

Great. Do you think that is caused by the air above the skin pulling on
it?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
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- Show quoted text -

Has to be a pressure differental I would think.

Ed

In article
,
et wrote:

On Nov 30, 8:53*am, Alan Baker wrote:
In article
,





*et wrote:
On Nov 29, 11:19*pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,

*cavelamb wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
*"Morgans" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote
Anyone who thinks that the pressure of a fluid on a surface can
act
in
any direction but towards the surface is simply wrong.
I see. *You are not lookng at the wing as a system, but taking an
observation at one point only, without reguard to what is
happening
around
it.

Point made.

Nope.

I'm making the point that the upper surface contributes absolutely
*no*
lifting force.

None.

Zero.

In fact, it provides a downward force. Every time.

Sorry, Alan, old boy, I find must disagree.

Disagree all you want, it won't make the upper surface of the wing
experience anything but a downward force.

In actuality, BOTH surfaces are below ambient pressure.
('splain why?)

Bernoulli.

But without that reduction of the pressure across the top curve of
the
wing,
the pressure below it can't do much at all, can it?

Which I never disagreed with.

But anyone who thinks the upper surface of the wing is experiencing
anything but a downward force is just sadly misinformed.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

When I fly my Cheerokee I can detect a slight bulge in the upper
skin. * For what it's worth.

Ed

Great. Do you think that is caused by the air above the skin pulling on
it?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Has to be a pressure differental I would think.

Ed

Then you understand reality.

:-)

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg