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brian whatcott wrote: Alan Baker wrote: In article , Jim Logajan wrote: Any change in pressure is *by definition* a change in the number of particles in the fluid that are impacting the surface. That assertion is incorrect. You are no dummy so I'm sure you'll correct it when you realize the errors. Sorry, but it's not. Pressure is created by particle collisions. Hmmm...looks like Jim expected too much from you: the kinetic theory of gases has it that pressure may be computed from the temperature AND the density of gases... that is to say, by retaining the SAME molar quantity of gas, and raising its temperature (which translates to a higher velocity), the pressure is increased P.V = R.t and all that.... Put it another way: each "hotter" molecule reverses direction at a surface with greater force. Brian W I'm perfectly aware of that, but that hardly matters for the scope of our discussion of the effect of pressure on a wing. The point I'm making is that all else being equal, more collisions means higher pressure and fewer means lower pressure, but that pressure is therefore always a positive value that acts toward the surface to which it is applied. It is *never* acting away from that surface; i.e. "pulling". That is the only reason I mentioned a vacuum, because it is a situation in which there is *by definition* zero absolute pressure. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
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Alan Baker wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote: Alan Baker wrote: Any change in pressure is *by definition* a change in the number of particles in the fluid that are impacting the surface. That assertion is incorrect. You are no dummy so I'm sure you'll correct it when you realize the errors. Sorry, but it's not. Pressure is created by particle collisions. Brian Whatcott already addressed one of the errors I had in mind. The other I had in mind was your incorrect assertion "*by definition*". You should have asserted "*by derivation*". College level texts on statistical and thermal physics *derive* the gas laws from statistical mechanics; they do not present them as true "by definition." (Though that would make for short textbooks!) |
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