Enough said

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:38:45 -0800, "Tarver Engineering" wrote:


"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:48:44 +0100, Skysurfer wrote:

ArtKramr wrote :

Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied, "Maybe it's
because the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans arranged it so
you would not have to speak in German."

Who helped USA to get its independence from UK ?
Enough said.

The French were at war with Britain, they were an absolute
monarchy that had no interest in US independence. They were
simply trying to fight the British (at York town).

The French did not win Yorktown, Alan.

That was Green and his 300 iron cannon.

Without that, Washington surrenders at Yorktown, to half the English fleet.

You are correct. I never said that the French "won" Yorktown, I merely
alluded to their motive for being there.


Al Minyard

"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:38:45 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:48:44 +0100, Skysurfer wrote:

ArtKramr wrote :

Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied, "Maybe it's
because the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans arranged it so
you would not have to speak in German."

Who helped USA to get its independence from UK ?
Enough said.

The French were at war with Britain, they were an absolute
monarchy that had no interest in US independence. They were
simply trying to fight the British (at York town).

The French did not win Yorktown, Alan.

That was Green and his 300 iron cannon.

Without that, Washington surrenders at Yorktown, to half the English
fleet.

You are correct. I never said that the French "won" Yorktown, I merely
alluded to their motive for being there.

What you wrote is a no-sequitur and revisionist history.

The one thing the French point to WRT their friendship with America is that
America has never been at war with France. This whole affair is more like
an old married couple having a spat.

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:38:45 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:

The French did not win Yorktown, Alan.

That was Green and his 300 iron cannon.

Without that, Washington surrenders at Yorktown, to half the English
fleet.


Without the French fleet in The Battle of the Capes there wouldn't have been
any Battle of Yorktown.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:38:45 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"

wrote:

The French did not win Yorktown, Alan.

That was Green and his 300 iron cannon.

Without that, Washington surrenders at Yorktown, to half the English
fleet.

Without the French fleet in The Battle of the Capes there wouldn't have
been
any Battle of Yorktown.

Why would you think that?

It was to save his fleet that the English commander surrendered at Yorktown.
The French fleet in the America's was effectively disabled at the second
Battle of the Capes.

Can you imagine how you would apologise to the Queen, if half her ships of
War were turned to splinters, by General Washington?

From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 1/15/2004 12:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: et


On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:38:45 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:

The French did not win Yorktown, Alan.

That was Green and his 300 iron cannon.

Without that, Washington surrenders at Yorktown, to half the English
fleet.


Without the French fleet in The Battle of the Capes there wouldn't have been
any Battle of Yorktown.


The French fleet showing up off Yorktown also seems to have convinced
Cornwallis it was time to cut his losses and quit.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 1/15/2004 12:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: et


On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:38:45 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"

wrote:

The French did not win Yorktown, Alan.

That was Green and his 300 iron cannon.

Without that, Washington surrenders at Yorktown, to half the English
fleet.


Without the French fleet in The Battle of the Capes there wouldn't have
been
any Battle of Yorktown.


The French fleet showing up off Yorktown also seems to have convinced
Cornwallis it was time to cut his losses and quit.

The French left the Battle of the Capes with broken junk.

"B2431" wrote in message
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The French fleet showing up off Yorktown also seems to have convinced
Cornwallis it was time to cut his losses and quit.


Well, turning back the evacuation force tends to do that.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"B2431" wrote in message
...

The French fleet showing up off Yorktown also seems to have convinced
Cornwallis it was time to cut his losses and quit.


Well, turning back the evacuation force tends to do that.

No, but you have come a step closer to reality.

The 300 cannon would have cut the English lines to bits, just as easily as
they could have turned the English fleet to splinters. Washington had set a
trap and it worked.

Perhaps the French delayed the English long enough for the trap to be
completed.