The NW overflight, what REALLY happened

In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

A nice story, but these pilots still need to find a new line of work. If any
one of a great many possible factors had been different, those pilots and
everyone on board their aircraft would be dead. Sorry, but they don't deserve
any slack at all. It's time for a change of career--something in which
flipping to the wrong frequency or chatting over laptops for an hour won't put
lives at risk.

Please elaborate. Offhand, I can't think of any change which would have
killed people here. Resulted in an emergency landing somewhere other
than their intended destination, perhaps, but no deaths. According to
this story, the pilots were awake and aware, and would have eventually
started wondering where they were and why ATC hadn't talked to them yet.
They would have been able to quickly figure out their actual location,
and start talking to the appropriate people once they did. They would
have then been directed to an airport in that area that could handle
their plane. A worse outcome, certainly, but I don't see any risk to
life here.

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Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:05:27 +0800, Mike Ash wrote:

In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

A nice story, but these pilots still need to find a new line of work. If any
one of a great many possible factors had been different, those pilots and
everyone on board their aircraft would be dead. Sorry, but they don't deserve
any slack at all. It's time for a change of career--something in which
flipping to the wrong frequency or chatting over laptops for an hour won't put
lives at risk.

Please elaborate. Offhand, I can't think of any change which would have
killed people here. Resulted in an emergency landing somewhere other
than their intended destination, perhaps, but no deaths. According to
this story, the pilots were awake and aware, and would have eventually
started wondering where they were and why ATC hadn't talked to them yet.
They would have been able to quickly figure out their actual location,
and start talking to the appropriate people once they did. They would
have then been directed to an airport in that area that could handle
their plane. A worse outcome, certainly, but I don't see any risk to
life here.

Mike, you're responding to the Mx-Bloss troll,
it makes you look like an ass. Stop.
--
Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.

Mike Ash writes:

Please elaborate. Offhand, I can't think of any change which would have
killed people here.

Fuel exhaustion, weather, system failures (pressurization, engines, you name
it), and so on.

If you want to fly on airplanes with pilots who are asleep at the switch,
that's your choice, but I don't.

According to this story, the pilots were awake and aware, and would
have eventually started wondering where they were and why ATC hadn't
talked to them yet.

When is "eventually"? They were awake, but completely unaware. Had the FA
not asked them when they would be landing, how much longer would it have taken
them to figure out that there was a problem? They spent more than an hour
goofing off without noticing anything.

They would have been able to quickly figure out their actual location,
and start talking to the appropriate people once they did. They would
have then been directed to an airport in that area that could handle
their plane. A worse outcome, certainly, but I don't see any risk to
life here.

Well, in a couple of years, they can get their PPLs again, and then you can
fly with them. They don't belong in an airline cockpit.

In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

Mike Ash writes:

Please elaborate. Offhand, I can't think of any change which would have
killed people here.

Fuel exhaustion, weather, system failures (pressurization, engines, you name
it), and so on.

If you want to fly on airplanes with pilots who are asleep at the switch,
that's your choice, but I don't.

Should have known better than to talk to you. Did I ever say I wanted to
fly on airplanes with pilots who are asleep at the switch? No, I did not.

Do not put words in my mouth.

If you feel like addressing what I actually say rather than making ****
up, let me know.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

Mike Ash writes:

Should have known better than to talk to you. Did I ever say I wanted to
fly on airplanes with pilots who are asleep at the switch? No, I did not.

You imply that there actions put no one in any real danger, therefore there is
no reason why you wouldn't want them as your pilots, since there's nothing
that they've done that would put you in any real danger if they did it again.

Either you have a problem with the way they conducted themselves, or you
don't. If you do, then logically you wouldn't want to fly with them. If you
don't, then logically you wouldn't mind flying with them.

I have a problem with their conduct, and so I would not want to have them
piloting any aircraft on which I might be a passenger.

remember, one way or another you are talking to a village idiot, and that is
part of the problem.
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Jim in NC

On Dec 23, 9:35*am, "Morgans" wrote:
remember, one way or another you are talking to a village idiot, and that is
part of the problem.
--
Jim in NC

Hey Jim..... Merry Christmas sir......


Ben
www.haaspowerair.com

wrote

Hey Jim..... Merry Christmas sir......

And to you, Ben.

It so happens that this Christmas I get to spend most of my time in bed.
Seems as though I decided to get a case of Pneumonia, a couple days ago. I
get out of breath, just standing up long enough to take a shower to blow the
stink off. That's tough for me to get used to, but I'll adapt until I get
better, I guess.

You do what you can to get some air time for me, and keep that pretty blue
and orange bird in the sky, OK?

So until we meet again, Merry Christmas from North Carolina!
--
Jim in NC

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:15:47 +0800, Mike Ash wrote:

In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

Mike Ash writes:

Please elaborate. Offhand, I can't think of any change which would have
killed people here.

Fuel exhaustion, weather, system failures (pressurization, engines, you name
it), and so on.

If you want to fly on airplanes with pilots who are asleep at the switch,
that's your choice, but I don't.

Should have known better than to talk to you.

So much for having brains, GliderBoi.
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