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Old January 16th 04, 06:25 AM
Colin Campbell
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:17:39 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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Hmmmmm.... Can an American civilian ever be arrested by the military?


Yes, on a military installation.


Actually, no.

The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the
UCMJ.

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).

(I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at
Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional
issues.)


"It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the
Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel.
A group of people with money and weaponry have simply
decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and
want, eventally, to exterminate us."
'Christian Century' magazine
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Old January 16th 04, 11:47 AM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in
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Actually, no.

The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the
UCMJ.

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).

(I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at
Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional
issues.)


So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the military
police have no power to seize and hold him?


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Old January 16th 04, 12:06 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote

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Actually, no.

The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the
UCMJ.

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).

(I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at
Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional
issues.)


So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the

military
police have no power to seize and hold him?


Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


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Old January 16th 04, 12:11 PM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"The Raven" wrote in message
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Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military Police
Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an expert
on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves
"nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives.


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Old January 16th 04, 12:13 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"The Raven" wrote in message
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Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage

facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not

a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military

Police
Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an

expert
on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves
"nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives.


Now what if they we're the child of someone serving in a foreign military
force (eg. "good guys")?

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Old January 16th 04, 03:03 PM
charles krin
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:11:40 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"The Raven" wrote in message
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Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military Police
Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an expert
on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves
"nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives.



Chuckle...Colin didn't say that...he said that usually a summons to
appear before a federal magistrate was issued for minor problems...and
if the problem wasn't minor, then the offender was held pending arrest
by either the FBI or the US Marshals.

ck
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Old January 16th 04, 05:41 PM
Colin Campbell
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:03:20 -0600, charles krin
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Chuckle...Colin didn't say that...he said that usually a summons to
appear before a federal magistrate was issued for minor problems...and
if the problem wasn't minor, then the offender was held pending arrest
by either the FBI or the US Marshals.


He needs to improve his reading comprehension skills.



"It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the
Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel.
A group of people with money and weaponry have simply
decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and
want, eventally, to exterminate us."
'Christian Century' magazine
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Old January 16th 04, 10:01 PM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"charles krin" wrote in message
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Chuckle...Colin didn't say that...he said that usually a summons to
appear before a federal magistrate was issued for minor problems...and
if the problem wasn't minor, then the offender was held pending arrest
by either the FBI or the US Marshals.


Well, if they're being held, they've been arrested. That's what "arrest"
means!


 




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