Left can't read well nor do they understand Constitution

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:17:39 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"LawsonE" wrote in message
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Hmmmmm.... Can an American civilian ever be arrested by the military?


Yes, on a military installation.

Actually, no.

The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the
UCMJ.

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).

(I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at
Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional
issues.)


"It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the
Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel.
A group of people with money and weaponry have simply
decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and
want, eventally, to exterminate us."
'Christian Century' magazine

From: Colin Campbell (remove underscore)
Date: 1/16/2004 12:25 AM Central Standard Time
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:17:39 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"LawsonE" wrote in message
hlink.net...

Hmmmmm.... Can an American civilian ever be arrested by the military?


Yes, on a military installation.

Actually, no.

The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the
UCMJ.

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).

(I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at
Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional
issues.)



It's still a form of arrest. The miranda card I was issued had warnings for
apprehension of civilians on the reverse of the side for military. All noncoms,
warrants and officers have apprehension authority.

Technically arrest is not used since the UCMJ considers apprehention to be
physical restraint and arrest to be non physical as when an officer is place
under house arrest. He is not guarded.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in
message ...

Actually, no.

The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the
UCMJ.

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).

(I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at
Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional
issues.)


So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the military
police have no power to seize and hold him?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote
in
message ...

Actually, no.

The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the
UCMJ.

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).

(I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at
Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional
issues.)


So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the
military
police have no power to seize and hold him?

Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


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The Raven
http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3
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** since August 15th 2000.

"The Raven" wrote in message
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Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military Police
Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an expert
on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves
"nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"The Raven" wrote in message
...

Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage
facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not
a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military
Police
Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an
expert
on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves
"nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives.

Now what if they we're the child of someone serving in a foreign military
force (eg. "good guys")?

--
The Raven
http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3
** President of the ozemail.* and uunet.* NG's
** since August 15th 2000.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:11:40 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"The Raven" wrote in message
...

Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military Police
Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an expert
on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves
"nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives.



Chuckle...Colin didn't say that...he said that usually a summons to
appear before a federal magistrate was issued for minor problems...and
if the problem wasn't minor, then the offender was held pending arrest
by either the FBI or the US Marshals.

ck
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Subject: Left can't read well nor do they understand Constitution
From: charles krin
Date: 1/16/04 7:03 AM Pacific

ck
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:03:20 -0600, charles krin
wrote:


Chuckle...Colin didn't say that...he said that usually a summons to
appear before a federal magistrate was issued for minor problems...and
if the problem wasn't minor, then the offender was held pending arrest
by either the FBI or the US Marshals.

He needs to improve his reading comprehension skills.



"It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the
Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel.
A group of people with money and weaponry have simply
decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and
want, eventally, to exterminate us."
'Christian Century' magazine

"charles krin" wrote in message
...

Chuckle...Colin didn't say that...he said that usually a summons to
appear before a federal magistrate was issued for minor problems...and
if the problem wasn't minor, then the offender was held pending arrest
by either the FBI or the US Marshals.


Well, if they're being held, they've been arrested. That's what "arrest"
means!