Compass Correction Card

You doubt it?

I direct your attention to page 2-7 of the Dec 2001 LS8-18 Flight
Manual. In Section 2.10 Minimum Equipment List, it states "Magnetic
Compass. Under the following paragraph Additonally for Cloud Flying it
states "Compass".

I doubt I'll receive an apology...

-John


On Jan 23, 9:50 am, John Smith wrote:
At least for my LS8-18, the feds can get you another way - a compass
is on the Minimum Equipment List.

I doubt it. A compass is on the minimum equipment list *for cloud flying*.

I direct your attention to page 2-7 of the Dec 2001 LS8-18 Flight
Manual. In Section 2.10 Minimum Equipment List, it states "Magnetic
Compass. Under the following paragraph Additonally for Cloud Flying it
states "Compass".

I doubt I'll receive an apology...

You doubt correctly. Im my flight manual (the original German one), I
read on page 2-11 (not 2-7) (ad hoc translated by me):

Minimal equipment: airspeed indicator, altimeter, thermometer, radio.
(But *no* compass.)

Additional minimal equipment for cloud flying: turn indicator, compass,
vario.

So there's something fishy with your manual. And yes, no apologies.

I have the advantage of reading it in English, no ad hoc translation
required. And yes, it is exactly as I posted above, a compass is on
both the minimum equipment list and on the cloud flying list. Since a
LS1f driver also has a compass on the minimum equipment list, it looks
like the fish is rotting on your side.

-John

On Jan 25, 7:08 am, John Smith wrote:
You doubt correctly. Im my flight manual (the original German one), I
read on page 2-11 (not 2-7) (ad hoc translated by me):

Minimal equipment: airspeed indicator, altimeter, thermometer, radio.
(But *no* compass.)

Additional minimal equipment for cloud flying: turn indicator, compass,
vario.

So there's something fishy with your manual. And yes, no apologies.

Am 25.01.10 15:11, schrieb jcarlyle:
I have the advantage of reading it in English, no ad hoc translation
required. And yes, it is exactly as I posted above, a compass is on
both the minimum equipment list and on the cloud flying list. Since a
LS1f driver also has a compass on the minimum equipment list, it looks
like the fish is rotting on your side.

A bit harsh, considering the German manual is the one on on which the LS
8 has been type certified. So maybe your FAA has added something to the
requirements, or maybe you're talking about a motorised LS8.

Ah, well, there you're wrong again. The LS8 wasn't FAA type certified
on the German manual, but rather on the English one, according to the
references in the TCDS. The TCDS came about 2 years after my plane was
built, too. The manual I'm quoting refers to the motorless version,
and it definitely has a compass in the MEL.

-John

On Jan 25, 9:39 am, John Smith wrote:
A bit harsh, considering the German manual is the one on on which the LS
8 has been type certified. So maybe your FAA has added something to the
requirements, or maybe you're talking about a motorised LS8.

Am 25.01.10 16:01, schrieb jcarlyle:
Ah, well, there you're wrong again. The LS8 wasn't FAA type certified
on the German manual, but rather on the English one, according to the

If you have missed it: The LS is (was) a German factory, and the LS8 has
been first certified by the German LBA on the basis of JAR-22 (more
precisely: JAR-22, state of October 1985). Neither JAR-22 nor the
original German manual, which has been approved by the certifying
authorities, ask for a compass (or a magnetic direction indicator, as it
is officially called).

So if your manual prescribes one, then the only reason I can see is your
FAA asking for that addition. It is definitely not needed on this side
of the pond.

I didn't miss a thing - you did. You publically doubted that I could
read what in fact clearly appears in my manual. Now, faced with facts,
you're back-pedaling into "well, maybe it's in your manual but it
isn't in mine". Just because you're assuming things doesn't make me
wrong, you know.

Still waiting for that apology...

-John

On Jan 25, 10:55 am, John Smith wrote:
If you have missed it: The LS is (was) a German factory, and the LS8 has
been first certified by the German LBA on the basis of JAR-22 (more
precisely: JAR-22, state of October 1985). Neither JAR-22 nor the
original German manual, which has been approved by the certifying
authorities, ask for a compass (or a magnetic direction indicator, as it
is officially called).

So if your manual prescribes one, then the only reason I can see is your
FAA asking for that addition. It is definitely not needed on this side
of the pond.