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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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Hey, Splaps. Next time you are ever near a DADC or it's diagram,
check out what they have at the other end of the tubing connected
to the fitting labeled *TOTAL*. Only ONE pitot tube!

Yep, the term Total means they added two sensors.

Catch this, Jimmy:

Since you started your childishness, you have trolled up three different
groups, with pretty much the same results.

Do you remember that old Gulf Aero DER that hung around in the pilot's
groups? Well, he read your stuff and got so stupid they fired him.

Next some poor tech at BF Goodrich got trolled up and removed the
temperature probe from the HS-125 700 ADC-80 changes. That cost them
hundreds of thousands of dollars in customer relations money.

And third, but not least, you trolled up Dudley and Shafer. Well wouldn't
you know, once Dudley got a conspiracy going with Mary's friends at Dryden,
the system **** out the two civil service slots and told Dryden to create a
basis for their funding. Well you know, those Dryden folks knew full well
they were making a living off someone else's past, but they hadn't realized
some of the people's work they made their living off of were contemporaries.
So old Ken Peterson, a personal friend of Dudley's, sat about and did not
create any basis, so now they have lost 1/3 of their budget. (ie $40million)

So, Jimmy, when I call your work an idiot detector, I really mean it.

Your's is a much nicer archive troll, as Miller is completely clueless about
the subject.

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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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Hey, Splaps. Next time you are ever near a DADC or it's diagram,
check out what they have at the other end of the tubing connected
to the fitting labeled *TOTAL*. Only ONE pitot tube!

Yep, the term Total means they added two sensors.

Nope, the pitot tube detects static pressure + impact pressure.
Read the book(s).

[ snip of nonsense ]

So, Jimmy, when I call your work an idiot detector, I really mean it.

As others have noticed, it never fails to attract you. :-)

Your's is a much nicer archive troll, as Miller is completely clueless
about
the subject.

Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment.
For anyone who missed it:
http://home.att.net/~j.knoyle/the_ta...hronicles.html

Jimmy

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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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Hey, Splaps. Next time you are ever near a DADC or it's diagram,
check out what they have at the other end of the tubing connected
to the fitting labeled *TOTAL*. Only ONE pitot tube!

Yep, the term Total means they added two sensors.

Nope, the pitot tube detects static pressure + impact pressure.
Read the book(s).

I have been writing that to you for years, Knoyle. That is why you seem
such an idiot when you insist a pitot port is a pitot tube.

Total means there is more than one sensor, nothing more.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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Hey, Splaps. Next time you are ever near a DADC or it's diagram,
check out what they have at the other end of the tubing connected
to the fitting labeled *TOTAL*. Only ONE pitot tube!

Yep, the term Total means they added two sensors.

Nope, the pitot tube detects static pressure + impact pressure.
Read the book(s).

I have been writing that to you for years, Knoyle. That is why you seem
such an idiot when you insist a pitot port is a pitot tube.

Total means there is more than one sensor, nothing more.

You really don't understand how that one little opening on the end
of that pointy thing up front can detect static pressure (altitude)
as well as impact pressure (airspeed), do you. That's sad!

From: "Jim Knoyle"
Date: 1/17/2004 3:48 PM Central Standard Time
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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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Hey, Splaps. Next time you are ever near a DADC or it's diagram,
check out what they have at the other end of the tubing connected
to the fitting labeled *TOTAL*. Only ONE pitot tube!

Yep, the term Total means they added two sensors.

Nope, the pitot tube detects static pressure + impact pressure.
Read the book(s).

I have been writing that to you for years, Knoyle. That is why you seem
such an idiot when you insist a pitot port is a pitot tube.

Total means there is more than one sensor, nothing more.

You really don't understand how that one little opening on the end
of that pointy thing up front can detect static pressure (altitude)
as well as impact pressure (airspeed), do you. That's sad!


The hole on the front only detects pitot pressure. If there are holes on the
side are for detecting static pressure.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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From: "Jim Knoyle"
Date: 1/17/2004 3:48 PM Central Standard Time
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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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Hey, Splaps. Next time you are ever near a DADC or it's diagram,
check out what they have at the other end of the tubing connected
to the fitting labeled *TOTAL*. Only ONE pitot tube!

Yep, the term Total means they added two sensors.

Nope, the pitot tube detects static pressure + impact pressure.
Read the book(s).

I have been writing that to you for years, Knoyle. That is why you
seem
such an idiot when you insist a pitot port is a pitot tube.

Total means there is more than one sensor, nothing more.

You really don't understand how that one little opening on the end
of that pointy thing up front can detect static pressure (altitude)
as well as impact pressure (airspeed), do you. That's sad!


The hole on the front only detects pitot pressure. If there are holes on
the
side are for detecting static pressure.


No, sorry Dan, you'll have to refer to a more modern air data computer.
When the label at the top of the ADC switched from pitot to total, the
definition for Total Pressure (Pt) was given as:
"This is a pressure input (from the aircraft pitot probe) which varies
both with altitude and aircraft speed. (Range 3.11 to 42.50 in. Hg.)"
*This was a direct quote from a Honeywell HG280D DADC guide*
The book goes on to explain how the delta Ps is removed to arrive at
a more accurate airspeed. The Ps, whether obtained from the static
port(s) on the probe or flush mounted ports on the fuselage, is fed
through another fitting on the DADC (labeled static) and is something
else entirely. It does factor in to the math.

JK

From: "Jim Knoyle"
Date: 1/17/2004 8:00 PM Central Standard Time
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From: "Jim Knoyle"
Date: 1/17/2004 3:48 PM Central Standard Time
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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Hey, Splaps. Next time you are ever near a DADC or it's diagram,
check out what they have at the other end of the tubing connected
to the fitting labeled *TOTAL*. Only ONE pitot tube!

Yep, the term Total means they added two sensors.

Nope, the pitot tube detects static pressure + impact pressure.
Read the book(s).

I have been writing that to you for years, Knoyle. That is why you
seem
such an idiot when you insist a pitot port is a pitot tube.

Total means there is more than one sensor, nothing more.

You really don't understand how that one little opening on the end
of that pointy thing up front can detect static pressure (altitude)
as well as impact pressure (airspeed), do you. That's sad!


The hole on the front only detects pitot pressure. If there are holes on
the
side are for detecting static pressure.


No, sorry Dan, you'll have to refer to a more modern air data computer.
When the label at the top of the ADC switched from pitot to total, the
definition for Total Pressure (Pt) was given as:
"This is a pressure input (from the aircraft pitot probe) which varies
both with altitude and aircraft speed. (Range 3.11 to 42.50 in. Hg.)"
*This was a direct quote from a Honeywell HG280D DADC guide*
The book goes on to explain how the delta Ps is removed to arrive at
a more accurate airspeed. The Ps, whether obtained from the static
port(s) on the probe or flush mounted ports on the fuselage, is fed
through another fitting on the DADC (labeled static) and is something
else entirely. It does factor in to the math.

JK

OK, I see where you are coming from. The pitot pressure DOES vary by altitude.
To compensate for that when measuring airspeed you use static pressure to give
you altitude. Some aircraft detect static pressure from holes on the side of
the pitot tube and others have the static ports located elswhere.

I would be interested in seeing a schematic of your aircraft's pitot-static
systems including DADC. I have never worked on DADC. I did work on the CADC
abomination on the F-4E.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Jim Knoyle" wrote:




No, sorry Dan, you'll have to refer to a more modern air data computer.
When the label at the top of the ADC switched from pitot to total, the
definition for Total Pressure (Pt) was given as:
"This is a pressure input (from the aircraft pitot probe) which varies
both with altitude and aircraft speed. (Range 3.11 to 42.50 in. Hg.)"
*This was a direct quote from a Honeywell HG280D DADC guide*
The book goes on to explain how the delta Ps is removed to arrive at
a more accurate airspeed. The Ps, whether obtained from the static
port(s) on the probe or flush mounted ports on the fuselage, is fed
through another fitting on the DADC (labeled static) and is something
else entirely. It does factor in to the math.

JK

Hang on here a second now Jim, you still need two samples. As Dan
says you need 'static pressure' to read the altitude from and you
need 'pitot pressure' (ram air pressure) as well as the static
pressure to derive the airspeed reading from. Sounds like you're
saying that you can read 'both' from just the 'ram air pressure'
alone. Or did I misunderstand you?

I'm sure that you know that lots of pitot tubes have both a
static port (flush mount on the side) and a 'ram air port' the
hole in the front to collect 'pitot pressure'.
--

-Gord.

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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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Hey, Splaps. Next time you are ever near a DADC or it's diagram,
check out what they have at the other end of the tubing connected
to the fitting labeled *TOTAL*. Only ONE pitot tube!

Yep, the term Total means they added two sensors.

Nope, the pitot tube detects static pressure + impact pressure.
Read the book(s).

I have been writing that to you for years, Knoyle. That is why you seem
such an idiot when you insist a pitot port is a pitot tube.

Total means there is more than one sensor, nothing more.

You really don't understand how that one little opening on the end
of that pointy thing up front can detect static pressure (altitude)
as well as impact pressure (airspeed), do you. That's sad!


you mean the mud wasp home surely ?

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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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Hey, Splaps. Next time you are ever near a DADC or it's diagram,
check out what they have at the other end of the tubing connected
to the fitting labeled *TOTAL*. Only ONE pitot tube!

Yep, the term Total means they added two sensors.

Nope, the pitot tube detects static pressure + impact pressure.
Read the book(s).

I have been writing that to you for years, Knoyle. That is why you seem
such an idiot when you insist a pitot port is a pitot tube.

Total means there is more than one sensor, nothing more.

You really don't understand how that one little opening on the end
of that pointy thing up front can detect static pressure (altitude)
as well as impact pressure (airspeed), do you. That's sad!


you mean the mud wasp home surely ?