If all midair collisions were eliminated...

OK....

Last summer....

I took up a 17 yr old that had a LOT of time on MS Sim....

He took about 5 min to get the "feel " of the plane...

Then proceeded to NAIL turns to a heading, NO PROBLEM with turns up to
30 degrees bank, had researched the departures we use here, had
studied the chart, knew where the training areas were (we have 12) ,
KNEW where the CYR was, did a couple of stalls (HEY, the yoke shudders
JUST LIKE my "force feedback stick!")

Kept his head up, looking out, only checking the instruments (did NOT
expect that,- frankly, I was prepared for him to have his eyes inside
most of the time)

Did pretty good on steep turns too , best was 100 ft loss, 4th 360.

This was this kids FIRST time in a "real" aircraft. And I was
thoroughly impressed.....

Our flight school here as an extensive sim dept., (a whole building)
It is a vital part of the training.

You guys can beat up on MX all you want for what reasons you wish,
but many of his comments are reasonable and accurate.

Did you know you can get an instructors cert for ground school
instructing without ever crawling into an aircraft?

And that is where you are dudes, ON THE GROUND TYPING ON YOUR
COMPUTERS LIKE I AM NOW.

So you guys know "more" about flying than he does? OK... I have never
recall him ever contesting that. - But until he and you actually step
into a couple of like aircraft and have at it your superior prowness
as a pilot will never be demonstrated....

In this venue, (on the ground , on this forum etc.) his comments are
measured, ON TOPIC, and accurate a lot of the time. In comparison,
_some_ of the posts of others are looking , umm, well, maybe somewhat
silly..... ?

This has been great entertainment tho!

Some of these posts are a hoot!

Now before you turn the darts toward me, read this again..

0 insults.

0 personal attacks.

1 "slight" rant only..

Maybe an opinion?

Cheers!

Dave








On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:55:50 -0800 (PST), Frank Whiteley
wrote:

On Feb 12, 11:32*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Surfer! writes:
Have you flown anything other than a PC?

I have only piloted simulators.

... being a passenger in a commercial flight doesn't count ...

Doesn't count for what?

One day, a young prat arrived at the gliderport for a real flight.
He'd logged 1500 hours on a flight simulator. The pilot couldn't tell
him anything, as he already knew it all about the instruments, stick
and rudder, and flight dynamics. Puked his guts out within ten
minutes.

"Dave" wrote

You guys can beat up on MX all you want for what reasons you wish,
but many of his comments are reasonable and accurate.

You have to look at the whole package he brings to the table. He has major
psychological problems, and overall is insulting to the very people he seeks
to converse with. He will not accept an answer given to him when it does
not fit with his view of the world. Asberger's. Look it up. It fits.

Again, you can not only look at part of the package he brings, but take it
all. You can not take all of what he brings. Too much bad blood. He is
not worth it. I don't care how on topic he is, at times. Eventualy, he
will turn every conversation upside down, to his view.

And that is where you are dudes, ON THE GROUND TYPING ON YOUR
COMPUTERS LIKE I AM NOW.

But he has no desire to EVER go flying. Repeated many times. Too
dangerous, but yet he wants to emulate flying.

Ever seen his list of aircraft he "owns" in his make-believe world? Way
out of touch with reality. How about his logs of his flights, with his
make-believe passengers that he sometimes has to wait for. I don't have the
links for those documents, but perhaps someone here can provide them. The
dude needs serious help. You would agree if you read some of these pages.

So you guys know "more" about flying than he does? OK... I have never
recall him ever contesting that. - But until he and you actually step
into a couple of like aircraft and have at it your superior prowness
as a pilot will never be demonstrated....

Never happen. He has no desire to ever step in an airplane. He has had
offers to go flying. Refused.

In this venue, (on the ground , on this forum etc.) his comments are
measured, ON TOPIC, and accurate a lot of the time.

Even a broken clock is right twice per day. He is still only a broken
clock, that does not deserve the attention he has stolen here. It is time
for ignoring. He will go bother someone else, if we do. I guarantee it.

Never happen, though. You represent the few who find him entertaining. I
seriously doubt your ability to make rational judgments, dude. Either that,
or you have not been around long enough to get the full measure of his pile
of crap. It has to be one or the other.
--
Jim in NC

You have to look at the whole package he brings to the table.


Not really Jim..

I have personally met some people I have met "on line" , and have
found them to be (fortunately AND unfortunately) to be very different
from their "online" personna. In all cases so far, there was MUCH
more to the person when I have met them in person.




But he has no desire to EVER go flying.

And thats OK, _ I have a very good friend who will NEVER get in an
airplane, unless it is an air ambulance and he has nothing to say
about it!

The
dude needs serious help.

Maybe, but he stil posts some pretty rational thoughts, and has
started some interesting discussions .



Even a broken clock is right twice per day. He is still only a broken
clock, that does not deserve the attention he has stolen here.

Agreed.... but when (he) IS CORRECT..... that should be
aknowledged, as it should be with anyone of us...... not blazed away
at just because he happened to hit the "send" buttton...


You represent the few who find him entertaining.

Ahhh, my bad. I should have been clearer. I don't find MX all that
entertaining, but some of the RESPONSES to his post certianly are!

I
seriously doubt your ability to make rational judgments, dude. Either that,
or you have not been around long enough to get the full measure of his pile
of crap. It has to be one or the other.

It must be my ability...I have only been here since about , oh,
1993.....

I guess that depends on if 17 years is "only a newbe" or "that's
long enough"

(Dave hangs head and shufles feet)

Dave

On Feb 13, 12:59*pm, Dave wrote:
OK....

Last summer....

I took up a 17 yr old that had a LOT of time on MS Sim....

He took about 5 min to get the "feel " of the plane...

Then proceeded to NAIL turns to a heading, NO PROBLEM with turns up to
30 degrees bank, had researched the *departures we use here, had
studied the chart, knew where the training areas were (we have 12) ,
KNEW where the CYR was, did a couple of stalls (HEY, the yoke shudders
JUST LIKE my "force feedback stick!")

Kept his head up, looking out, only checking the instruments (did NOT
expect that,- *frankly, I was prepared for him to have his eyes inside
most of the time)

Did pretty good on steep turns too , best was 100 ft loss, 4th 360.

This was this kids FIRST time in a "real" aircraft. And I was
thoroughly impressed.....

Our flight school here *as an extensive sim *dept., (a whole building)
It is a vital part of the training.

You guys can beat up on *MX all you want for what *reasons you wish,
but many of his comments are reasonable and accurate.

*Did you know you can get an instructors cert for ground school
instructing without ever crawling into an aircraft?

And that is where you are dudes, ON THE *GROUND TYPING ON YOUR
COMPUTERS LIKE I AM NOW.

So you guys know "more" about flying than he does? OK... *I have never
recall him ever contesting that. - But until he and you actually step
into a couple of like *aircraft and have at it your superior prowness
as a pilot will never be demonstrated....

In this venue, (on the ground , on this forum etc.) his comments are
measured, ON TOPIC, and *accurate a lot of the time. In comparison,
_some_ *of the posts of others are looking , umm, well, maybe somewhat
silly..... ?

This has been great entertainment tho! *

Some of these posts are a hoot!

Now before you turn the darts toward me, read this again.. *

0 insults.

0 personal attacks.

1 "slight" rant *only..

Maybe an opinion?

Cheers!

Dave

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:55:50 -0800 (PST), Frank Whiteley



wrote:
On Feb 12, 11:32*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Surfer! writes:
Have you flown anything other than a PC?

I have only piloted simulators.

... being a passenger in a commercial flight doesn't count ...

Doesn't count for what?

One day, a young prat arrived at the gliderport for a real flight.
He'd logged 1500 hours on a flight simulator. *The pilot couldn't tell
him anything, as he already knew it all about the instruments, stick
and rudder, and flight dynamics. *Puked his guts out within ten
minutes.- Hide quoted text -

Dave
I expressed a similar view of Mxs some years ago, much to my later
embarrassment when I found out what a jerk he really was. Of course
much of what he says is accurate, because he will read stuff straight
out of a book and post it here to try and get an argument going, or to
sound like he actually knows what he is talking about. To get an
idea of his modus operandi, have a read of his first 2 posts in the
impossible turn thread, namely the first sentence in each, and tell me
what you think his motivation for posting is.
Terry
..

terry wrote:
On Feb 13, 12:59 pm, Dave wrote:
OK....

Last summer....

I took up a 17 yr old that had a LOT of time on MS Sim....

He took about 5 min to get the "feel " of the plane...

Then proceeded to NAIL turns to a heading, NO PROBLEM with turns up to
30 degrees bank, had researched the departures we use here, had
studied the chart, knew where the training areas were (we have 12) ,
KNEW where the CYR was, did a couple of stalls (HEY, the yoke shudders
JUST LIKE my "force feedback stick!")

Kept his head up, looking out, only checking the instruments (did NOT
expect that,- frankly, I was prepared for him to have his eyes inside
most of the time)

Did pretty good on steep turns too , best was 100 ft loss, 4th 360.

This was this kids FIRST time in a "real" aircraft. And I was
thoroughly impressed.....

Our flight school here as an extensive sim dept., (a whole building)
It is a vital part of the training.

You guys can beat up on MX all you want for what reasons you wish,
but many of his comments are reasonable and accurate.

Did you know you can get an instructors cert for ground school
instructing without ever crawling into an aircraft?

And that is where you are dudes, ON THE GROUND TYPING ON YOUR
COMPUTERS LIKE I AM NOW.

So you guys know "more" about flying than he does? OK... I have never
recall him ever contesting that. - But until he and you actually step
into a couple of like aircraft and have at it your superior prowness
as a pilot will never be demonstrated....

In this venue, (on the ground , on this forum etc.) his comments are
measured, ON TOPIC, and accurate a lot of the time. In comparison,
_some_ of the posts of others are looking , umm, well, maybe somewhat
silly..... ?

This has been great entertainment tho!

Some of these posts are a hoot!

Now before you turn the darts toward me, read this again..

0 insults.

0 personal attacks.

1 "slight" rant only..

Maybe an opinion?

Cheers!

Dave

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:55:50 -0800 (PST), Frank Whiteley



wrote:
On Feb 12, 11:32 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Surfer! writes:
Have you flown anything other than a PC?
I have only piloted simulators.
... being a passenger in a commercial flight doesn't count ...
Doesn't count for what?
One day, a young prat arrived at the gliderport for a real flight.
He'd logged 1500 hours on a flight simulator. The pilot couldn't tell
him anything, as he already knew it all about the instruments, stick
and rudder, and flight dynamics. Puked his guts out within ten
minutes.- Hide quoted text -
Dave
I expressed a similar view of Mxs some years ago, much to my later
embarrassment when I found out what a jerk he really was. Of course
much of what he says is accurate, because he will read stuff straight
out of a book and post it here to try and get an argument going, or to
sound like he actually knows what he is talking about. To get an
idea of his modus operandi, have a read of his first 2 posts in the
impossible turn thread, namely the first sentence in each, and tell me
what you think his motivation for posting is.
Terry
.


Mx has done that in several groups. He gets his jollies being an
irritant.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Hi Dan!

If thats the case, he sure has learned whose buttons to push and how
huh?



How long have you been retired Dan?

Dave






On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:58:53 -0600, Dan wrote:

Of course
much of what he says is accurate, because he will read stuff straight
out of a book and post it here to try and get an argument going, or to
sound like he actually knows what he is talking about.
Terry
.


Mx has done that in several groups. He gets his jollies being an
irritant.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dave wrote:
Hi Dan!

If thats the case, he sure has learned whose buttons to push and how
huh?



How long have you been retired Dan?

Dave


Since 1994.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Dan" wrote in message ...
Dave wrote:
Hi Dan!

If thats the case, he sure has learned whose buttons to push and how
huh?



How long have you been retired Dan?

Dave


Since 1994.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

You have been retired one year longer then I.

Wayne, U.S. Navy, retired

Wayne Paul wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message ...
Dave wrote:
Hi Dan!

If thats the case, he sure has learned whose buttons to push and how
huh?



How long have you been retired Dan?

Dave

Since 1994.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

You have been retired one year longer then I.

Wayne, U.S. Navy, retired

I was in special operations and played on Navy boats. The ones I
played on, Iwo Jima class helicopter assault ships, are all gone. The
odd part is the C-130 we had in addition to helicopters were built
around the same time as the boats, but are still operational.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:21:23 -0800 (PST), terry
wrote:

Hmmmm...

OK.. first sentence of his first post referrs to the 27 potential
lives saved based on the OP's post....

Second post referrs to the potential of increased training etc.
reducing the deaths..

I am OK with that.

His motivation? Who really knows? And it does not really matter to
me.

What is _my_ motivation for even being here? To offer insight, to
learn from others? To "stirr the pot"? To offer news? To ask a
question?

Does anyone out there really care what MY motivaton is?

Actually, my motivation varies, - right now, its Sunday AM, cold
outside, I worked late last night installing a door, and have some
time on my hands, now and for the next 45 minutes.

(Sorry, best I can do for this session)

Does MY motivaton really matter to anybody?

......and I have quoted from books in my posts here as well... to get
feedback on the content, or to question the content....

No doubt , some here will question my motivation to defend MX, but I
have none other to comment on the entertainment value of the RESPONSES
his posts get, and I am not defending him at all.

My only comment is that I think that to blast away with multible
cannons and machine guns at a gopher just because it popped it's head
out of the hole seems a little silly.. (IMHO)

Who was that cartoon character anyway... "Yosemitie Sam" ? The one
with the big hat, mouth and shotgun that blasted away at anything that
moved?

Long time ago, I guess my age and immaturity is showing... Buggs Bunny
Show ?



Cheers!

D







Dave
I expressed a similar view of Mxs some years ago, much to my later
embarrassment when I found out what a jerk he really was. Of course
much of what he says is accurate, because he will read stuff straight
out of a book and post it here to try and get an argument going, or to
sound like he actually knows what he is talking about. To get an
idea of his modus operandi, have a read of his first 2 posts in the
impossible turn thread, namely the first sentence in each, and tell me
what you think his motivation for posting is.
Terry
.