Biplanes and Triplanes were the best !

Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On 18 Jan 2004 02:01:52 -0800, (Alberto Panno-Peano) wrote:

I think Biplanes and Triplanes were the best planes ever made.

You should have just said were some of the best planes ever made. No
argument there. Lots of civilian pilots fly WW1 replicas and they are
crowd pleasers. My fave, contrary to what the RAM anti-German fanatics
think I will say, is NOT the Fokker D.VII. I always liked the Albatros
D.Va even with the annoying wing strut problem. If I had the money I'd
buy one today and paint it up the way they did back then.

I think the Red Baron could beat any plane of today with his triplane !

Sorry, not even Erich Hartmann with 352 kills would score with a
Me-109 today. We'll have to wait for WW3 and see if the Germans will
invent new aircraft firing "swarmers" (aka KKVs: Kinetic Kill
Vehicles) that will down 10-12 enemy aircraft at a time. Wouldn't that
be interesting? 35 missions and a new top ace is born!!! (Just a JOKE
guys, so don't even think about flaming)...

I even think that Zeppelins are better than most modern planes !

The new Zeppelin and plans for even larger types from around the world
arouse great interest but lack suitable funding. It WOULD be
absolutely amazing to fly in an 800+ ft long Zeppelin across the
Atlantic. That IMO is comparable to those that flew on the Concorde.

That's nice.

My God, YES it would be nice Al!

Al Minyard

Rob

robert arndt wrote:

The new Zeppelin and plans for even larger types from around the world
arouse great interest but lack suitable funding. It WOULD be
absolutely amazing to fly in an 800+ ft long Zeppelin across the
Atlantic. That IMO is comparable to those that flew on the Concorde.

Especially traveling at mach 2!

Is there no end to advanced German technical achievement?


SMH

Stephen Harding wrote in message ...
robert arndt wrote:

The new Zeppelin and plans for even larger types from around the world
arouse great interest but lack suitable funding. It WOULD be
absolutely amazing to fly in an 800+ ft long Zeppelin across the
Atlantic. That IMO is comparable to those that flew on the Concorde.

Especially traveling at mach 2!

Is there no end to advanced German technical achievement?


SMH

Hey Steve,

Notice how I said "from around the world"? Here's a site with airship
companies around the world:

http://www.myairship.com/

Don' you feel like an ass? You should.

BTW, the Hindenburg predated the Concorde by 3 decades and although it
couldn't do Mach 2 it sure was the largest thing in the air-ever, with
a spectacular view and luxury accomodations that won't fit on any
airliner. The 747 and A380 are gnats compared to that giant. In fact,
the Hindenburg was taller than most skyscrapers of the time.
Many people around the world want a come-back for the huge airships
and Lockheed is rumored to already operate a massive stealth airship
for surveillance. So what's your problem Steve?
I actually would like to see both a new Concorde and the Zeppelin
return.

Rob

In message , robert
arndt writes
Stephen Harding wrote in message
...
robert arndt wrote:

The new Zeppelin and plans for even larger types from around the world
arouse great interest but lack suitable funding. It WOULD be
absolutely amazing to fly in an 800+ ft long Zeppelin across the
Atlantic. That IMO is comparable to those that flew on the Concorde.

Especially traveling at mach 2!

Is there no end to advanced German technical achievement?


SMH

Hey Steve,

Notice how I said "from around the world"? Here's a site with airship
companies around the world:

http://www.myairship.com/

Don' you feel like an ass? You should.

BTW, the Hindenburg predated the Concorde by 3 decades and although it
couldn't do Mach 2 it sure was the largest thing in the air-ever, with
a spectacular view and luxury accomodations that won't fit on any
airliner. The 747 and A380 are gnats compared to that giant. In fact,
the Hindenburg was taller than most skyscrapers of the time.
Many people around the world want a come-back for the huge airships
and Lockheed is rumored to already operate a massive stealth airship
for surveillance. So what's your problem Steve?
I actually would like to see both a new Concorde and the Zeppelin
return.

Seconded all opinions. I have a few books on airships. Fancy crossing
the Atlantic by air, getting out of your seat, walking to a window,
opening it and learning out looking at the view! Or a dining room with
proper tables, white tablecloths and proper cutlery!

Mike
--
M.J.Powell

"M. J. Powell" wrote:

Seconded all opinions. I have a few books on airships. Fancy crossing
the Atlantic by air, getting out of your seat, walking to a window,
opening it and learning out looking at the view! Or a dining room with
proper tables, white tablecloths and proper cutlery!

My sentiments exactly. Air travel these days is an incredibly
dehumanizing experience.

"M. J. Powell" wrote in message
...


Seconded all opinions. I have a few books on airships. Fancy crossing
the Atlantic by air, getting out of your seat, walking to a window,
opening it and learning out looking at the view! Or a dining room with
proper tables, white tablecloths and proper cutlery!


Which was fine if you were one of the 1% of the population
who could afford the fare. That same 1% today travels in
pretty good style up in first class.

In the 30's we mere mortals would have been fortunate
to travel in steerage class packed like sardines for 6 days
instead of 6 hours.

Keith

In message , Keith Willshaw
writes

"M. J. Powell" wrote in message
...


Seconded all opinions. I have a few books on airships. Fancy crossing
the Atlantic by air, getting out of your seat, walking to a window,
opening it and learning out looking at the view! Or a dining room with
proper tables, white tablecloths and proper cutlery!


Which was fine if you were one of the 1% of the population
who could afford the fare. That same 1% today travels in
pretty good style up in first class.

In the 30's we mere mortals would have been fortunate
to travel in steerage class packed like sardines for 6 days
instead of 6 hours.

Spoilsport. One can always hope.

Mike
--
M.J.Powell

The comments concerning possible return of the commercial
airship makes me wonder about military uses of such an
air vehicle.

Are there any for today's military mission and needs?

The only thing that really comes to mind is possibly an
airship as a heavy lift vehicle (a really big Chinook?)
in support operations well behind battle lines or areas
of contention (if helicopters are vulnerable, think how
bad it would be for airships!).

I vaguely recall some not too distant, military driven
experiments in the use of airships, but now have no clue
as to what they could possibly have been.


SMH

robert arndt wrote:
Stephen Harding wrote in message ...

robert arndt wrote:

The new Zeppelin and plans for even larger types from around the world
arouse great interest but lack suitable funding. It WOULD be
absolutely amazing to fly in an 800+ ft long Zeppelin across the
Atlantic. That IMO is comparable to those that flew on the Concorde.

Especially traveling at mach 2!

Is there no end to advanced German technical achievement?


Notice how I said "from around the world"? Here's a site with airship
companies around the world:

http://www.myairship.com/

Don' you feel like an ass? You should.

I'm quite familiar with some plans in he US and UK to reintroduce
airships. I actually would like the plans to succeed. Seems like
a great way to fly.

As to feeling like an ass? Not particularly.

It's always difficult portraying humor in a NG when you refuse
to use little smiley faces to explicitly convey intent.

You clearly don't find what I wrote as amusing. C'est la vie.
Doesn't make me an ass because you don't recognize my sense of
humor.

BTW, the Hindenburg predated the Concorde by 3 decades and although it
couldn't do Mach 2 it sure was the largest thing in the air-ever, with
a spectacular view and luxury accomodations that won't fit on any
airliner. The 747 and A380 are gnats compared to that giant. In fact,
the Hindenburg was taller than most skyscrapers of the time.
Many people around the world want a come-back for the huge airships
and Lockheed is rumored to already operate a massive stealth airship
for surveillance. So what's your problem Steve?

Your lack of humor apparently. Or at least meshing with mine.

I actually would like to see both a new Concorde and the Zeppelin
return.

What's it going to cost?

We can travel to Europe via QE2 (guess that's QM2 now). It costs
a bundle. Similar service in the air won't be cheap. On the Concorde,
you paid top dollar for the speed. On the Hindenburg II, it will be
for the high level of service.

Will many be able to afford it, assuming they *want* it to begin with?
Remember, the purpose of getting on an air machine has always been to
get somewhere, and typically, to *get somewhere quickly*. Not an
airship trait. (Airships could get right into a city destination,
eliminating the drive from the airport, which can be attractive).

But just as there are ocean cruises that are the purpose all to
themselves, I suppose there could be airship "cruises" as well. It
would be neat if it isn't prohibitively expensive.

And lighten up, OK?


SMH

Stephen Harding wrote:

Remember, the purpose of getting on an air machine has always been to
get somewhere, and typically, to *get somewhere quickly*. Not an
airship trait.

Why not commercial ground-effect vehicles (i.e: "Caspian Sea
Monsters") that theoretically could make transatlantic trips
at approximately .5 mach economically, safely and luxuriously?

http://www.att-nn.com/ENGL/MPE.htm