KJZI (Charleston Executive, S.C.) ILS RWY 9 DME Required

On Mar 12, 11:39*am, Robert Moore wrote:

Try this onehttp://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/1003/00532IL12.PDF

You see...I learned to fly way back when DME was a rareity and all of the
approaches were like this one.

Bob Moore

Thanks Bob.

I'm all for learning inspite of what Sam and Mark thinks.

I guess I take the conservative approach and just don't dip below
MDA. I was also told for checkride that I couldn't go below MDA
before MAP or it's a bust. (VOR alpha at KMBO is my most common non
precision approach) so that stuck out in my mind.

It's been describe to me as dive and drive. Dive down to MDA as soon
as you can, and drive it in at MDA to MAP. Go below it before MAP and
it's a bust for checkride.

On 3/12/2010 3:00 PM, wrote:
On Mar 12, 11:39 am, Robert Moore wrote:

Try this onehttp://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/1003/00532IL12.PDF

You see...I learned to fly way back when DME was a rareity and all of the
approaches were like this one.

Bob Moore

Thanks Bob.

I'm all for learning inspite of what Sam and Mark thinks.

I guess I take the conservative approach and just don't dip below
MDA. I was also told for checkride that I couldn't go below MDA
before MAP or it's a bust. (VOR alpha at KMBO is my most common non
precision approach) so that stuck out in my mind.

It's been describe to me as dive and drive. Dive down to MDA as soon
as you can, and drive it in at MDA to MAP. Go below it before MAP and
it's a bust for checkride.

That's just simply not true. You say your willing to learn. Just read
the regulations already.

On Mar 12, 5:21*pm, Mark Hansen wrote:

That's just simply not true. You say your willing to learn. Just read
the regulations already.

Thats your opinion Mark.

On 3/12/2010 3:35 PM, wrote:
On Mar 12, 5:21 pm, Mark Hansen wrote:

That's just simply not true. You say your willing to learn. Just read
the regulations already.

Thats your opinion Mark.


What's my opinion? That you don't have to wait for the MAP before
descending below MDA?

Your statement doesn't make sense.

Do you still believe that you are required to wait for the MAP
before you are legally allowed to descend below MAP on a non-
precision approach?

On Mar 12, 5:55*pm, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 3/12/2010 3:35 PM, wrote:

On Mar 12, 5:21 pm, Mark Hansen wrote:

That's just simply not true. You say your willing to learn. Just read
the regulations already.

Thats your opinion Mark.

What's my opinion?

READ what you said above. You said above that I am not willing to
learn. That is your opinion which sadly is wrong.

Now that it's been brought out I can descend below MDA before MAP,
fine and dandy, I have only stated what I was taught no matter how
incorrect it may have been. I was taught dive and drive to MDA and no
lower until missed.

I don't intend to start descending below MDA before MAP now just
because YOU and others say FARS says it's perfectly ok.. See my
response to Sam.

MDA at my airport KMBO is just above 500 AGL. I am not going to do a
circle to land below MDA before MAP even if I have the airport in
sight clear from the VOR.

On 3/12/2010 4:49 PM, wrote:
I don't intend to start descending below MDA before MAP now just
because YOU and others say FARS says it's perfectly ok.. See my
response to Sam.

You don't *have* to descend before reaching MAP. Your statement that
it was not allowed was wrong.

On Mar 12, 7:22*pm, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 3/12/2010 4:49 PM, wrote:

I don't intend to start descending below MDA before MAP now just
because YOU and others say FARS says it's perfectly ok.. *See my
response to Sam.

You don't *have* to descend before reaching MAP. Your statement that
it was not allowed was wrong.

My exact words "I was told" I never said it was not allowed. Could
you please point me to where I said it wasn't allowed? Big difference
and I will be the first to apologize if I said it wasn't allowed..

Below the dashed lines is my response to Bob. I am only as good as
what I am told......

Who am I to question an instructor on what I am told UNTIL discussions
of this nature come up.

Like I said I am all for learning.
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I was also told for checkride that I couldn't go below MDA
before MAP or it's a bust. (VOR alpha at KMBO is my most common non
precision approach) so that stuck out in my mind.

" wrote in news:c81d3614-8898-4f3d-91d0-
:

I was taught dive and drive to MDA and no
lower until missed.


What if you are going into a short runway? A lot of non-precision approaches
have the MAP at the runway end. If you see the runway enviroment before the
MAP, wouldn't it be safer to descend below the MDA to make a normal landing,
rather than landing halfway down the runway? Depending on runway length and
aircraft type, it might not even be possible to land if you stay at MDA all
the way to the MAP.

Don't get me wrong. I don't know your aircraft or the runways you land at.
What you are doing is safe and legal; I just wanted to give an example of why
you might want to go below MDA in certain situations.

wrote:
On Mar 12, 5:21 pm, Mark Hansen wrote:


That's just simply not true. You say your willing to learn. Just read
the regulations already.


Thats your opinion Mark.


As in "just" his opinion, right?

It's his *considered* opinion based upon your *stated lack of
understanding* of the fundamentals of the purpose of MDA, the MAP, and
FAR 91.175 (c) (1) and (3) (i).

On Mar 12, 6:17*pm, Sam Spade wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 12, 5:21 pm, Mark Hansen wrote:

That's just simply not true. You say your willing to learn. Just read
the regulations already.

Thats your opinion Mark.

As in "just" his opinion, right?

It's his *considered* opinion based upon your *stated lack of
understanding* of the fundamentals of the purpose of MDA, the MAP, and
FAR 91.175 (c) (1) and (3) (i).

I told you before, this is how I run my shop. I NEVER SAID IT WAS
ILLEGAL. So far, I have not hit anything below me by NOT descending
below MDA before the MAP. This is the way I was taught and if it
works for me, you can do whatever FARS says.

You do it your way, and I will do it my way. Zero zero takes offs are
perfectly legal.

Just because FARS says so doesn't mean it's safe!!!!!!!!!!!