"Vanishing American Air Superiority"

In message
, Ken
S. Tucker writes
I was told the Nazi's could have easily taken England, no sweat.

In the same way that the Japanese could have conquered the US in five
days in 1941 if they'd only bothered to try? (Land in California,
commandeer weapons and transport from the cowardly fleeing populace,
race the bad news to Washington, impose Imperial hegemony, declare
victory while forcibly recruiting all white females between seven and
seventy for "recreational services"?)

I think whoever was telling you this, was pulling your leg so hard it's
still out of its socket, and they're still telling the story of "some
clueless guy called Tucker" who didn't just swallow the hook but took
the line, and the sinker, and tried to eat the rod as well.




--
He thinks too much, such men are dangerous.

Paul J. Adam

On Mar 17, 6:38*pm, "Paul J. Adam"
wrote:
In message
, Ken
S. Tucker writes

I was told the Nazi's could have easily taken England, no sweat.

In the same way that the Japanese could have conquered the US in five
days in 1941 if they'd only bothered to try? (Land in California,
commandeer weapons and transport from the cowardly fleeing populace,
race the bad news to Washington, impose Imperial hegemony, declare
victory while forcibly recruiting all white females between seven and
seventy for "recreational services"?)

I think whoever was telling you this, was pulling your leg so hard it's
still out of its socket, and they're still telling the story of "some
clueless guy called Tucker" who didn't just swallow the hook but took
the line, and the sinker, and tried to eat the rod as well.

--
He thinks too much, such men are dangerous.

Paul J. Adam

Remember the Southern Pacific and Union Pacific ran 40 hour trains
from San Francisco and Los Angeles to Chicago, seven days a week. If
you could get past all the GIs riding those buggers even in 1941-2 you
had to have enough real U.S.A. green to pay for your meals.

Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message
, Ken
S. Tucker writes
I was told the Nazi's could have easily taken England, no sweat.

In the same way that the Japanese could have conquered the US in five
days in 1941 if they'd only bothered to try? (Land in California,
commandeer weapons and transport from the cowardly fleeing populace,
race the bad news to Washington, impose Imperial hegemony, declare
victory while forcibly recruiting all white females between seven and
seventy for "recreational services"?)

Now that is funny. There is more military of that time in California
then anywhere else in the world.


I think whoever was telling you this, was pulling your leg so hard it's
still out of its socket, and they're still telling the story of "some
clueless guy called Tucker" who didn't just swallow the hook but took
the line, and the sinker, and tried to eat the rod as well.

A determined Germany would have eaten England alive, but for massive
war materials and massive military direct aid. Hitler actually admired
England and did make an effort to make them an ally. Churchill double
crossed him when he usurped meeting with Rudolph Hess. That was a double
cross much more heinous as Hitlers double cross of Stalin. England and
Israel are 2 countries to never ever trust.

Alexander wrote:
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A determined Germany would have eaten England alive, but for massive
war materials and massive military direct aid. Hitler actually admired
England and did make an effort to make them an ally. Churchill double
crossed him when he usurped meeting with Rudolph Hess. That was a double
cross much more heinous as Hitlers double cross of Stalin. England and
Israel are 2 countries to never ever trust.



Using that logic no country is trustworthy. Sticking to WW2 the
Nazi's violation of their nonaggression pact with the Soviets is a prime
example.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan wrote:
Alexander wrote:
snip
A determined Germany would have eaten England alive, but for massive
war materials and massive military direct aid. Hitler actually admired
England and did make an effort to make them an ally. Churchill double
crossed him when he usurped meeting with Rudolph Hess. That was a
double cross much more heinous as Hitlers double cross of Stalin.
England and Israel are 2 countries to never ever trust.



Using that logic no country is trustworthy. Sticking to WW2 the
Nazi's violation of their nonaggression pact with the Soviets is a prime
example.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


As some one once stated:

America has no permanent Friends, only permanent enemies.
I think that pretty much fits any country.

I do however believe that America has to reconsider and reassess whom we
do business with in this day and age, based on our present day needs.
The past is nothing more then an example by which to learn and guide our
now and future decisions. We cannot redo the past, but we sure can be
more careful in our future actions. The economic mess we are in doesn't
seem to have sunk in to the pack of fools in Washington.

"Alexander" wrote in message
...

A determined Germany would have eaten England alive, but for massive
war materials and massive military direct aid.

Well, assuming they could get there, which they couldn't...


Hitler actually admired
England and did make an effort to make them an ally.

But the UK (Not England) reckoned he wasn't to be trusted.

Wise people...

Churchill double
crossed him when he usurped meeting with Rudolph Hess.

I don't suppose you've any proof at all for that remarkable statement.

England and
Israel are 2 countries to never ever trust.

But, but, but, aren't they the same country run by the same people?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black wrote:

"Alexander" wrote in message
...

A determined Germany would have eaten England alive, but for massive
war materials and massive military direct aid.

Well, assuming they could get there, which they couldn't...

Are you really daft enough to believe that would always be?
That is a very short Channel.


Hitler actually admired
England and did make an effort to make them an ally.

But the UK (Not England) reckoned he wasn't to be trusted.

Nobody called it the UK in those days.

Wise people...

Churchill double
crossed him when he usurped meeting with Rudolph Hess.

Hess was off the hook as far as America and Russia were concerned. The
English made damned sure that he could never be interviewed and remained
locked up in Spandau until the Arthritic ally crippled weak old man
jumped up 12 feet tied a belt to a rafter and hung himself while under
intense English Guard. The fact that he was never allowed pencil and
paper should tell even a Jew moron like you something. He was guilty of
no war crime. Dealing with Churchills England was a nasty joke. He even
lied to America.

I don't suppose you've any proof at all for that remarkable statement.

England and
Israel are 2 countries to never ever trust.

But, but, but, aren't they the same country run by the same people?

Are they now? Do you have something tangible to back your premise?

"Alexander" wrote in message
...
William Black wrote:

"Alexander" wrote in message
...

A determined Germany would have eaten England alive, but for massive
war materials and massive military direct aid.

Well, assuming they could get there, which they couldn't...

Are you really daft enough to believe that would always be?
That is a very short Channel.

Actually its about 300 miles long. At its narrowest its only about 22 miles
wide but that has its own problems.

The topography at its narrowest point is rather unfriendly to the invader.
Landing on the beach between Folkestone and Deal leaves you at the
foot of precipitous cliffs riddled with tunnels and batteries of guns.

Think Omaha beach x 10

If you head NE to the beaches around Deal , Sandwich and Ramsgate
you greatly increase the length of the sea crossing. Not a good idea when
your barges can only do 4 knots especially given that the tidal race in
those parts can run at 2-4 knots. Of course there is the little matter that
it brings you closer to the RN ships at Harwich, Ramsgate and Chatham

That leaves you landing on the beach between Folkestone and Rye.

This is an area the British Army had been planning to defend since
the Napoleonic wars. Apart from the fixed defenses there were gun
batteries placed back from the coast with pre-surveyed fields of fire.

There were five fully equipped infantry divisions covering this area
with another 5 and an armoured division held in reserve. The Germans
would have little or no armour or heavy guns but would be equipped
with infantry weapons and a few mountain guns and mortars. Pity
the poor soldier of the Heer short of food and ammunition trying
to cross the royal military canal under fire from 7.2" and 25 pounder
artillery into the teeth of the machine gun fire from the concrete pillboxes
on the other side.

The purpose of the home guard was NOT so much to fight the German Army
as to release regular troops from routine security tasks.


paranoid racist diatribe deleted

Keith

Keith Willshaw wrote:


"Alexander" wrote in message
...
William Black wrote:

"Alexander" wrote in message
...

A determined Germany would have eaten England alive, but for massive
war materials and massive military direct aid.

Well, assuming they could get there, which they couldn't...

Are you really daft enough to believe that would always be?
That is a very short Channel.

Actually its about 300 miles long. At its narrowest its only about 22 miles
wide but that has its own problems.

The topography at its narrowest point is rather unfriendly to the invader.
Landing on the beach between Folkestone and Deal leaves you at the
foot of precipitous cliffs riddled with tunnels and batteries of guns.

Think Omaha beach x 10

If you head NE to the beaches around Deal , Sandwich and Ramsgate
you greatly increase the length of the sea crossing. Not a good idea when
your barges can only do 4 knots especially given that the tidal race in
those parts can run at 2-4 knots. Of course there is the little matter that
it brings you closer to the RN ships at Harwich, Ramsgate and Chatham

That leaves you landing on the beach between Folkestone and Rye.

This is an area the British Army had been planning to defend since
the Napoleonic wars. Apart from the fixed defenses there were gun
batteries placed back from the coast with pre-surveyed fields of fire.

There were five fully equipped infantry divisions covering this area
with another 5 and an armoured division held in reserve. The Germans
would have little or no armour or heavy guns but would be equipped
with infantry weapons and a few mountain guns and mortars. Pity
the poor soldier of the Heer short of food and ammunition trying
to cross the royal military canal under fire from 7.2" and 25 pounder
artillery into the teeth of the machine gun fire from the concrete
pillboxes
on the other side.

The purpose of the home guard was NOT so much to fight the German Army
as to release regular troops from routine security tasks.


paranoid racist diatribe deleted

Keith

Lots of Concrete Liberty ships would do the job just fine.
The point is really that the UK should learn from its past massive
mistakes and never get in this fix again.

"Alexander" wrote in message
...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message
, Ken
S. Tucker writes
I was told the Nazi's could have easily taken England, no sweat.

In the same way that the Japanese could have conquered the US in five
days in 1941 if they'd only bothered to try? (Land in California,
commandeer weapons and transport from the cowardly fleeing populace, race
the bad news to Washington, impose Imperial hegemony, declare victory
while forcibly recruiting all white females between seven and seventy for
"recreational services"?)

Now that is funny. There is more military of that time in California then
anywhere else in the world.


I suspect the combined Red Army and Wehrmacht forces in Russia
were rather more numerous than the US forces in California.


I think whoever was telling you this, was pulling your leg so hard it's
still out of its socket, and they're still telling the story of "some
clueless guy called Tucker" who didn't just swallow the hook but took the
line, and the sinker, and tried to eat the rod as well.

A determined Germany would have eaten England alive, but for massive
war materials and massive military direct aid. Hitler actually admired
England and did make an effort to make them an ally. Churchill double
crossed him when he usurped meeting with Rudolph Hess.

Well now given that Hitler denounced Hess on German radio BEFORE
Hess had chance to meet anyone this seems an odd conclusion.

That was a double
cross much more heinous as Hitlers double cross of Stalin. England and
Israel are 2 countries to never ever trust.

Churchill never wavered in his opposition to the Nazis, change your
medication
there's a good chap.

Keith