"Vanishing American Air Superiority"

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, William Black
wrote:


It's not an acronym, it's a code word.

Well I missed that memo.

You're not kidding.

After 2-3 years he wrote a stack of reports that would fill a filing
cabinet, probably still classified.
Oh no they won't be.

In canuckistan it's secret or once declassified it's burned, didn't
you
get the memo.

********.

It's filed away and released when of no interest to anyone but historians.


Many commanders in chief weren't given ULTRA access.

Old Boy told me he was a corporal,

So he didn't actually have any access at all.

I presume said personel were ordered to provide full
cooperation, so he wouldn't need to give a rat's ass about ULTRA,
except how effective it was, to feedback into the chain of command,
his duties in that respect were more than clerical.

You mean he was an intelligence clerk.

RCAF trained him for a year in Pathfinder Navigation prior to making
him a de-briefer

Not a chance.

Aircrew were all promoted to sergeant on selection.


, and navigation involves a lot of secret stuff, so he
likely ended up knowing more about ULTRA than ULTRA did,

Take it from me, anyone selected for aircrew training wouldn't have
been allowed within a mile of ULTRA


where
results are concerned, and then write a synopsis for strategists,
based on de-briefing from fielded and experienced personel.

Corporals don't.


Barges are ultra cheap, especially when they're empty.
And so easy to sink, especially at night.

But look at what you're risking, to sink a cheap barge.

Barges son, barges...

Now look up how good the Germans were at sinking ships with bombs at
that date.

As good or better than anyone.

Nope.

They had some real problems sinking anything. They could hit some stuff
standing still, but at Dunkirk, bombing stationary ships, their
performance was dreadful.


You don't know what the Military Canal is do you?
Mr. Black

Well we had lakefront property on Lk Ontario, the Englosh Channel is
what
the girls liked to swim across too.

The Military Canal is not the Channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Military_Canal

It's not getting into it, it's getting out.

--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote in
:

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, William Black
wrote:


It's not an acronym, it's a code word.

Well I missed that memo.

You're not kidding.

After 2-3 years he wrote a stack of reports that would fill a
filing cabinet, probably still classified.
Oh no they won't be.

In canuckistan it's secret or once declassified it's burned, didn't
you
get the memo.

********.

It's filed away and released when of no interest to anyone but
historians.

Exactly.

My father's last post before retirement was as the Senior Research
Officer in the Directorate of History of NDHQ in Ottawa from about '71
to '82. One of his secondary duties was directorate security officer. As
such, he was responsible for more classified documents than anyone else
in NDHQ, and he, under the instructions of the Director, controled access
to every classifed document in RG24 at the National Archives. They had
tonnes of documents in 600 filing cabinets and safes in the Ogilvie Annex
of NDHQ, and every six months he had to go through a classified document
muster.

My father's magnum opus in his last years was to help draft the Access to
Information Act's declassification sections. He did it with a view to
releasing as much as possible as soon as possible, because he knew that
keeping secrets is expensive. However, he knew that some secrets might
have to be kept forever. (I suspect that the "forever" secrets have more
to do with our allies than our erstwhile enemies.)

Many commanders in chief weren't given ULTRA access.

Old Boy told me he was a corporal,

So he didn't actually have any access at all.

Corporals working on BIGOT material likely only handled envelopes and
folders, or PA'ed documents to file and little else.

I presume said personel were ordered to provide full
cooperation, so he wouldn't need to give a rat's ass about ULTRA,
except how effective it was, to feedback into the chain of command,
his duties in that respect were more than clerical.

You mean he was an intelligence clerk.

Tucker appears to have woven an old boy's yarn into whole cloth.

RCAF trained him for a year in Pathfinder Navigation prior to making
him a de-briefer,

Not a chance.

Anyone the RCAF took the trouble to train as a navigator went on to
flying duties--unless he washed out for medical or other reasons.

Aircrew were all promoted to sergeant on selection.


and navigation involves a lot of secret stuff, so he
likely ended up knowing more about ULTRA than ULTRA did,

Take it from me, anyone selected for aircrew training wouldn't have
been allowed within a mile of ULTRA

And any secret stuff people on flying duties saw had a very, very short
shelf life.

where
results are concerned, and then write a synopsis for strategists,
based on de-briefing from fielded and experienced personel.

Corporals don't.


Barges are ultra cheap, especially when they're empty.
And so easy to sink, especially at night.

But look at what you're risking, to sink a cheap barge.

Barges son, barges...

Now look up how good the Germans were at sinking ships with bombs at
that date.

As good or better than anyone.

Nope.

They had some real problems sinking anything. They could hit some
stuff standing still, but at Dunkirk, bombing stationary ships, their
performance was dreadful.


You don't know what the Military Canal is do you?
Mr. Black

Well we had lakefront property on Lk Ontario, the Englosh Channel is
what
the girls liked to swim across too.

The Military Canal is not the Channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Military_Canal

It's not getting into it, it's getting out.

You're getting a good demonstration of how resistant Canadian brick
masonry is to logic, William.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

On Mar 20, 3:43*pm, Andrew Chaplin
wrote:
William Black wrote :



Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, William Black
wrote:

It's not an acronym, *it's a code word.

Well I missed that memo.

You're not kidding.

After 2-3 years he wrote a stack of reports that would fill a
filing cabinet, probably still classified.
Oh no they won't be.

In canuckistan it's secret or once declassified it's burned, didn't
you
get the memo.

********.

It's filed away and released when of no interest to anyone but
historians.

Exactly.

My father's last post before retirement was as the Senior Research
Officer in the Directorate of History of NDHQ in Ottawa from about *'71
to '82. One of his secondary duties was directorate security officer. As
such, he was responsible for more classified documents than anyone else
in NDHQ, and he, under the instructions of the Director, controled access
to every classifed document in RG24 at the National Archives. They had
tonnes of documents in 600 filing cabinets and safes in the Ogilvie Annex
of NDHQ, and every six months he had to go through a classified document
muster.

My father's magnum opus in his last years was to help draft the Access to
Information Act's declassification sections. He did it with a view to
releasing as much as possible as soon as possible, because he knew that
keeping secrets is expensive. However, he knew that some secrets might
have to be kept forever. (I suspect that the "forever" secrets have more
to do with our allies than our erstwhile enemies.)

Many commanders in chief weren't given ULTRA access.

Old Boy told me he was a corporal,

So he didn't actually have any access at all.

Corporals working on BIGOT material likely only handled envelopes and
folders, or PA'ed documents to file and little else.

I presume said personel were ordered to provide full
cooperation, so he wouldn't need to give a rat's ass about ULTRA,
except how effective it was, to feedback into the chain of command,
his duties in that respect were more than clerical.

You mean he was an intelligence clerk.

Tucker appears to have woven an old boy's yarn into whole cloth.

RCAF trained him for a year in Pathfinder Navigation prior to making
him a de-briefer,

Not a chance.

Anyone the RCAF took the trouble to train as a navigator went on to
flying duties--unless he washed out for medical or other reasons.

Aircrew were all promoted to sergeant on selection.

and navigation involves a lot of secret stuff, so he
likely ended up knowing more about ULTRA than ULTRA did,

Take it from me, *anyone selected for aircrew training wouldn't have
been allowed within a mile of ULTRA

And any secret stuff people on flying duties saw had a very, very short
shelf life.



*where
results are concerned, and then write a synopsis for strategists,
based on de-briefing from fielded and experienced personel.

Corporals don't.

Barges are ultra cheap, especially when they're empty.
And so easy to sink, *especially at night.

But look at what you're risking, to sink a cheap barge.

Barges son, *barges...

Now look up how good the Germans were at sinking ships with bombs at
that date.

As good or better than anyone.

Nope.

They had some real problems sinking anything. *They could hit some
stuff standing still, *but at Dunkirk, bombing stationary ships, their
performance was dreadful.

You don't know what the Military Canal is do you?
Mr. Black

Well we had lakefront property on Lk Ontario, the Englosh Channel is
what
the girls liked to swim across too.

The Military Canal is not the Channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Military_Canal

It's not getting into it, *it's getting out.

You're getting a good demonstration of how resistant Canadian brick
masonry is to logic, William.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Never underestimate the power of the EM's mess and the Club to
circulate all of the material that is handled so carefully, out into
the civilian access area. Corporals make flight schedules and arrange
meetings and sometimes are given the minutes of the previous meeting
and the outline of the next. Not really classified, above your office
level, but informative to one who hears things in the office to fill
in the gaps.

Jack Linthicum wrote:

Never underestimate the power of the EM's mess and the Club to
circulate all of the material that is handled so carefully, out into
the civilian access area. Corporals make flight schedules and arrange
meetings and sometimes are given the minutes of the previous meeting
and the outline of the next. Not really classified, above your office
level, but informative to one who hears things in the office to fill
in the gaps.

This guy is supposed to know EVERYTHING.

Including how the UK didn't have a chance...

--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Mar 20, 12:04 pm, William Black
wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, William Black
wrote:
It's not an acronym, it's a code word.

Well I missed that memo.

You're not kidding.

It's a habit, learning to not read unimportant junk, you know.

After 2-3 years he wrote a stack of reports that would fill a filing
cabinet, probably still classified.
Oh no they won't be.

In canuckistan it's secret or once declassified it's burned, didn't
you
get the memo.

********.

It's filed away and released when of no interest to anyone but historians.

Nope, contrary to what Mr. Chaplin reports, it's burn after reading.
only the low level crap is available for his daddy, thoughts clear.
He don't know spooks, I'll provide a hint, from this link,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_X

"Records pertaining to Camp X were either locked away under the
Official Secrets Act
or destroyed after World War II."

"locked away" or "destroyed", what does that mean?


Many commanders in chief weren't given ULTRA access.

Old Boy told me he was a corporal,

So he didn't actually have any access at all.

I presume said personel were ordered to provide full

cooperation, so he wouldn't need to give a rat's ass about ULTRA,
except how effective it was, to feedback into the chain of command,
his duties in that respect were more than clerical.

You mean he was an intelligence clerk.

That's close but not quite, he had girl's, booze and cigs to relax the
men in order to report what they learned

RCAF trained him for a year in Pathfinder Navigation prior to making
him a de-briefer

Not a chance.
Aircrew were all promoted to sergeant on selection.

Why would ya need to be sergeant for de-briefing?
Ya don't understood the de-briefer rank.

, and navigation involves a lot of secret stuff, so he
likely ended up knowing more about ULTRA than ULTRA did,

Take it from me, anyone selected for aircrew training wouldn't have
been allowed within a mile of ULTRA

where

results are concerned, and then write a synopsis for strategists,
based on de-briefing from fielded and experienced personel.

Corporals don't.

Well I guess them guys choose Corporal rank as it is a confidential,
nobody would tell an a officer squat, cuz they will rat ya out,
whereas a Corporal won't, SOP.

Barges are ultra cheap, especially when they're empty.
And so easy to sink, especially at night.

But look at what you're risking, to sink a cheap barge.

Barges son, barges...

Now look up how good the Germans were at sinking ships with bombs at
that date.

As good or better than anyone.

Nope.

They had some real problems sinking anything. They could hit some stuff
standing still, but at Dunkirk, bombing stationary ships, their
performance was dreadful.

Well the Nazi's didn't expect the Brit's to run away so fast, so they
weren't prepared for that contingency, is that what you mean?

You don't know what the Military Canal is do you?
Mr. Black

Well we had lakefront property on Lk Ontario, the Englosh Channel is
what
the girls liked to swim across too.

The Military Canal is not the Channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Military_Canal

It's not getting into it, it's getting out.
Mr. Black

Yup.
Ken

On Mar 20, 5:53*pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Mar 20, 12:04 pm, William Black
wrote:

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, William Black
wrote:
It's not an acronym, *it's a code word.

Well I missed that memo.

You're not kidding.

It's a habit, learning to not read unimportant junk, you know.

After 2-3 years he wrote a stack of reports that would fill a filing
cabinet, probably still classified.
Oh no they won't be.

In canuckistan it's secret or once declassified it's burned, didn't
you
get the memo.

********.

It's filed away and released when of no interest to anyone but historians.

Nope, contrary to what Mr. Chaplin reports, it's burn after reading.
only the low level crap is available for his daddy, thoughts clear.
He don't know spooks, I'll provide a hint, from this link,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_X

"Records pertaining to Camp X were either locked away under the
Official Secrets Act
or destroyed after World War II."

"locked away" or "destroyed", what does that mean?

Many commanders in chief weren't given ULTRA access.

Old Boy told me he was a corporal,

So he didn't actually have any access at all.

I presume said personel were ordered to provide full

cooperation, so he wouldn't need to give a rat's ass about ULTRA,
except how effective it was, to feedback into the chain of command,
his duties in that respect were more than clerical.

You mean he was an intelligence clerk.

That's close but not quite, he had girl's, booze and cigs to relax the
men in order to report what they learned

RCAF trained him for a year in Pathfinder Navigation prior to making
him a de-briefer

Not a chance.
Aircrew were all promoted to sergeant on selection.

Why would ya need to be sergeant for de-briefing?
Ya don't understood the de-briefer rank.

, and navigation involves a lot of secret stuff, so he
likely ended up knowing more about ULTRA than ULTRA did,

Take it from me, *anyone selected for aircrew training wouldn't have
been allowed within a mile of ULTRA

* where

results are concerned, and then write a synopsis for strategists,
based on de-briefing from fielded and experienced personel.

Corporals don't.

Well I guess them guys choose Corporal rank as it is a confidential,
nobody would tell an a officer squat, cuz they will rat ya out,
whereas a Corporal won't, SOP.



Barges are ultra cheap, especially when they're empty.
And so easy to sink, *especially at night.

But look at what you're risking, to sink a cheap barge.

Barges son, *barges...

Now look up how good the Germans were at sinking ships with bombs at
that date.

As good or better than anyone.

Nope.

They had some real problems sinking anything. *They could hit some stuff
standing still, *but at Dunkirk, bombing stationary ships, their
performance was dreadful.

Well the Nazi's didn't expect the Brit's to run away so fast, so they
weren't prepared for that contingency, is that what you mean?

You don't know what the Military Canal is do you?
Mr. Black

Well we had lakefront property on Lk Ontario, the Englosh Channel is
what
the girls liked to swim across too.

The Military Canal is not the Channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Military_Canal

It's not getting into it, *it's getting out.
Mr. Black

Yup.
Ken

It's "burn before reading" for the important stuff

Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Mar 20, 5:53 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Mar 20, 12:04 pm, William Black
wrote:

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, William Black
wrote:
It's not an acronym, it's a code word.
Well I missed that memo.
You're not kidding.
It's a habit, learning to not read unimportant junk, you know.

After 2-3 years he wrote a stack of reports that would fill a filing
cabinet, probably still classified.
Oh no they won't be.
In canuckistan it's secret or once declassified it's burned, didn't
you
get the memo.
********.
It's filed away and released when of no interest to anyone but historians.
Nope, contrary to what Mr. Chaplin reports, it's burn after reading.
only the low level crap is available for his daddy, thoughts clear.
He don't know spooks, I'll provide a hint, from this link,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_X

"Records pertaining to Camp X were either locked away under the
Official Secrets Act
or destroyed after World War II."

"locked away" or "destroyed", what does that mean?

Many commanders in chief weren't given ULTRA access.
Old Boy told me he was a corporal,
So he didn't actually have any access at all.
I presume said personel were ordered to provide full
cooperation, so he wouldn't need to give a rat's ass about ULTRA,
except how effective it was, to feedback into the chain of command,
his duties in that respect were more than clerical.
You mean he was an intelligence clerk.
That's close but not quite, he had girl's, booze and cigs to relax the
men in order to report what they learned

RCAF trained him for a year in Pathfinder Navigation prior to making
him a de-briefer
Not a chance.
Aircrew were all promoted to sergeant on selection.
Why would ya need to be sergeant for de-briefing?
Ya don't understood the de-briefer rank.

, and navigation involves a lot of secret stuff, so he
likely ended up knowing more about ULTRA than ULTRA did,
Take it from me, anyone selected for aircrew training wouldn't have
been allowed within a mile of ULTRA
where
results are concerned, and then write a synopsis for strategists,
based on de-briefing from fielded and experienced personel.
Corporals don't.
Well I guess them guys choose Corporal rank as it is a confidential,
nobody would tell an a officer squat, cuz they will rat ya out,
whereas a Corporal won't, SOP.



Barges are ultra cheap, especially when they're empty.
And so easy to sink, especially at night.
But look at what you're risking, to sink a cheap barge.
Barges son, barges...
Now look up how good the Germans were at sinking ships with bombs at
that date.
As good or better than anyone.
Nope.
They had some real problems sinking anything. They could hit some stuff
standing still, but at Dunkirk, bombing stationary ships, their
performance was dreadful.
Well the Nazi's didn't expect the Brit's to run away so fast, so they
weren't prepared for that contingency, is that what you mean?

You don't know what the Military Canal is do you?
Mr. Black
Well we had lakefront property on Lk Ontario, the Englosh Channel is
what
the girls liked to swim across too.
The Military Canal is not the Channel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Military_Canal
It's not getting into it, it's getting out.
Mr. Black
Yup.
Ken

It's "burn before reading" for the important stuff

The whole 'Camp X' and 'William Stephenson' pages on Wikipedia are full
of ghastly errors.

Stuff like Churchill being an opposition MP in 1936 and SOE being part
of MI-6.

It reads like a bad novel.

--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Mar 20, 3:20 pm, William Black wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Mar 20, 5:53 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Mar 20, 12:04 pm, William Black
wrote:

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, William Black
wrote:
It's not an acronym, it's a code word.
Well I missed that memo.
You're not kidding.
It's a habit, learning to not read unimportant junk, you know.

After 2-3 years he wrote a stack of reports that would fill a filing
cabinet, probably still classified.
Oh no they won't be.
In canuckistan it's secret or once declassified it's burned, didn't
you
get the memo.
********.
It's filed away and released when of no interest to anyone but historians.
Nope, contrary to what Mr. Chaplin reports, it's burn after reading.
only the low level crap is available for his daddy, thoughts clear.
He don't know spooks, I'll provide a hint, from this link,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_X

"Records pertaining to Camp X were either locked away under the
Official Secrets Act
or destroyed after World War II."

"locked away" or "destroyed", what does that mean?

Many commanders in chief weren't given ULTRA access.
Old Boy told me he was a corporal,
So he didn't actually have any access at all.
I presume said personel were ordered to provide full
cooperation, so he wouldn't need to give a rat's ass about ULTRA,
except how effective it was, to feedback into the chain of command,
his duties in that respect were more than clerical.
You mean he was an intelligence clerk.
That's close but not quite, he had girl's, booze and cigs to relax the
men in order to report what they learned

RCAF trained him for a year in Pathfinder Navigation prior to making
him a de-briefer
Not a chance.
Aircrew were all promoted to sergeant on selection.
Why would ya need to be sergeant for de-briefing?
Ya don't understood the de-briefer rank.

, and navigation involves a lot of secret stuff, so he
likely ended up knowing more about ULTRA than ULTRA did,
Take it from me, anyone selected for aircrew training wouldn't have
been allowed within a mile of ULTRA
where
results are concerned, and then write a synopsis for strategists,
based on de-briefing from fielded and experienced personel.
Corporals don't.
Well I guess them guys choose Corporal rank as it is a confidential,
nobody would tell an a officer squat, cuz they will rat ya out,
whereas a Corporal won't, SOP.

Barges are ultra cheap, especially when they're empty.
And so easy to sink, especially at night.
But look at what you're risking, to sink a cheap barge.
Barges son, barges...
Now look up how good the Germans were at sinking ships with bombs at
that date.
As good or better than anyone.
Nope.
They had some real problems sinking anything. They could hit some stuff
standing still, but at Dunkirk, bombing stationary ships, their
performance was dreadful.
Well the Nazi's didn't expect the Brit's to run away so fast, so they
weren't prepared for that contingency, is that what you mean?

You don't know what the Military Canal is do you?
Mr. Black
Well we had lakefront property on Lk Ontario, the Englosh Channel is
what
the girls liked to swim across too.
The Military Canal is not the Channel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Military_Canal
It's not getting into it, it's getting out.
Mr. Black
Yup.
Ken

It's "burn before reading" for the important stuff

The whole 'Camp X' and 'William Stephenson' pages on Wikipedia are full
of ghastly errors.

Stuff like Churchill being an opposition MP in 1936 and SOE being part
of MI-6.

It reads like a bad novel.

No guff, "permanently bound to secrecy", the Old Boy was very
quiet when we visited Camp X. We'd visit veterans grave yards too,
it's hardly stories that you share with children.
I can say I felt it was important to be respectful.
Ken

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Mar 20, 3:20 pm, William Black wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Mar 20, 5:53 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Mar 20, 12:04 pm, William Black
wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, William Black
wrote:
It's not an acronym, it's a code word.
Well I missed that memo.
You're not kidding.
It's a habit, learning to not read unimportant junk, you know.
After 2-3 years he wrote a stack of reports that would fill a filing
cabinet, probably still classified.
Oh no they won't be.
In canuckistan it's secret or once declassified it's burned, didn't
you
get the memo.
********.
It's filed away and released when of no interest to anyone but historians.
Nope, contrary to what Mr. Chaplin reports, it's burn after reading.
only the low level crap is available for his daddy, thoughts clear.
He don't know spooks, I'll provide a hint, from this link,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_X
"Records pertaining to Camp X were either locked away under the
Official Secrets Act
or destroyed after World War II."
"locked away" or "destroyed", what does that mean?
Many commanders in chief weren't given ULTRA access.
Old Boy told me he was a corporal,
So he didn't actually have any access at all.
I presume said personel were ordered to provide full
cooperation, so he wouldn't need to give a rat's ass about ULTRA,
except how effective it was, to feedback into the chain of command,
his duties in that respect were more than clerical.
You mean he was an intelligence clerk.
That's close but not quite, he had girl's, booze and cigs to relax the
men in order to report what they learned
RCAF trained him for a year in Pathfinder Navigation prior to making
him a de-briefer
Not a chance.
Aircrew were all promoted to sergeant on selection.
Why would ya need to be sergeant for de-briefing?
Ya don't understood the de-briefer rank.
, and navigation involves a lot of secret stuff, so he
likely ended up knowing more about ULTRA than ULTRA did,
Take it from me, anyone selected for aircrew training wouldn't have
been allowed within a mile of ULTRA
where
results are concerned, and then write a synopsis for strategists,
based on de-briefing from fielded and experienced personel.
Corporals don't.
Well I guess them guys choose Corporal rank as it is a confidential,
nobody would tell an a officer squat, cuz they will rat ya out,
whereas a Corporal won't, SOP.
Barges are ultra cheap, especially when they're empty.
And so easy to sink, especially at night.
But look at what you're risking, to sink a cheap barge.
Barges son, barges...
Now look up how good the Germans were at sinking ships with bombs at
that date.
As good or better than anyone.
Nope.
They had some real problems sinking anything. They could hit some stuff
standing still, but at Dunkirk, bombing stationary ships, their
performance was dreadful.
Well the Nazi's didn't expect the Brit's to run away so fast, so they
weren't prepared for that contingency, is that what you mean?
You don't know what the Military Canal is do you?
Mr. Black
Well we had lakefront property on Lk Ontario, the Englosh Channel is
what
the girls liked to swim across too.
The Military Canal is not the Channel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Military_Canal
It's not getting into it, it's getting out.
Mr. Black
Yup.
Ken
It's "burn before reading" for the important stuff
The whole 'Camp X' and 'William Stephenson' pages on Wikipedia are full
of ghastly errors.

Stuff like Churchill being an opposition MP in 1936 and SOE being part
of MI-6.

It reads like a bad novel.

No guff, "permanently bound to secrecy",

Rubbish.

The 'Station X' (Bletchley Park) staff wee sworn to perpetual secrecy.

The bloke that wrote the book that blew that one was a former head of
security...

No WWII stuff is still Secret. Some is considered private because it
involves people still alive, but that's about it.


the Old Boy was very
quiet when we visited Camp X.

Why?

No graves there.

And his background seems to indicate that he'd never served there.


We'd visit veterans grave yards too,
it's hardly stories that you share with children.

It is stories that have to be shared with children.



--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Mar 21, 2:56*pm, William Black wrote:
...
it's hardly stories that you share with children.

It is stories that have to be shared with children.

After one of those hand-wringing nuclear aftermath movies on TV a
friend said his young son watched with growing impatience and finally
demanded "Where are all the mutants?"

jsw