B52

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:57:46 +0930, "Dave Kearton"
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"Salamanda" wrote in message
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Anyone know what happened?
"guido" wrote in message
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How can a plane fly in this conditions?


http://www.talkingproud.us/HistoryB52NoTail.html

Boeings ~usually~ make it home after the tail falls off.

http://www.seattlepi.com/archives/1989/8901260265.asp

Of course, the KC-135/707 was designed with a folding tail, for back
in the days when it were the big'n in the hangar.

Bob ^,,^

Never heard of a KC-135 loosing a tail. The one(E-6A) in the article is
quite different from the 135's. The first time the tail fell off the crew
didn't know that they had lost the tail until told so upon landing. The fix
was to change the amount of hydraulic pressure available to the rudder at
different airspeeds. How do I know? I fly and maintain these aircraft and
have many hours in this one. The Navy crews wanted to call the plane
'Gecko' but we ended up with 'Mercury'

Frydaddy


"Bob (not my real pseudonym)" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:57:46 +0930, "Dave Kearton"
wrote:

"Salamanda" wrote in message
...
Anyone know what happened?
"guido" wrote in message
. ..
How can a plane fly in this conditions?


http://www.talkingproud.us/HistoryB52NoTail.html

Boeings ~usually~ make it home after the tail falls off.

http://www.seattlepi.com/archives/1989/8901260265.asp

Of course, the KC-135/707 was designed with a folding tail, for back
in the days when it were the big'n in the hangar.

Bob ^,,^

"Bob (not my real pseudonym)" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:57:46 +0930, "Dave Kearton"
wrote:

"Salamanda" wrote in message
...
Anyone know what happened?
"guido" wrote in message
. ..
How can a plane fly in this conditions?


http://www.talkingproud.us/HistoryB52NoTail.html

Boeings ~usually~ make it home after the tail falls off.

http://www.seattlepi.com/archives/1989/8901260265.asp

Of course, the KC-135/707 was designed with a folding tail, for back
in the days when it were the big'n in the hangar.

Bob ^,,^
In fact, none of the 135s upon which I flew had folding tails. BTW and FWIW,
the 135 is not a 707. It is, per Boeing, a 717.....

DaveD With about 10k hours in RC135 aircraft.

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 01:10:49 -0800, "Dave D"
wrote:


"Bob (not my real pseudonym)" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:57:46 +0930, "Dave Kearton"
wrote:

"Salamanda" wrote in message
...
Anyone know what happened?
"guido" wrote in message
. ..
How can a plane fly in this conditions?


http://www.talkingproud.us/HistoryB52NoTail.html

Boeings ~usually~ make it home after the tail falls off.

http://www.seattlepi.com/archives/1989/8901260265.asp

Of course, the KC-135/707 was designed with a folding tail, for back
in the days when it were the big'n in the hangar.

Bob ^,,^
In fact, none of the 135s upon which I flew had folding tails. BTW and FWIW,
the 135 is not a 707. It is, per Boeing, a 717.....

DaveD With about 10k hours in RC135 aircraft.

I'm not an expert on this stuff, but thought I had read that at least
the KC-135 had this feature. Could it have either been removed, or
just never used?

When I look at my own and other's photos of KC-135s from before the
re-engining projects, they all have what appears to be a walkway
outlined in black (looked like a big check mark) on the port side of
the vertical stabilizer - which would have been the topside when
folded.

http://aviation-safety.net/photos/ai...-P-d-1-500.jpg

Also, wasn't part of the reason the USAF scarfed up so many used 707
and 720 airframes back in the '80s was for replacement vertical stabs
for the KC-135s? Or was the folding stab only implemented on the
367-80?

Sorry - limited vision and blood flow to the brain inhibit further
research on my part at this time.

Bob ^,,^

Bob (not my real pseudonym) wrote:

Also, wasn't part of the reason the USAF scarfed up so many used 707
and 720 airframes back in the '80s was for replacement vertical stabs
for the KC-135s? Or was the folding stab only implemented on the
367-80?


The USAF bought the retired airliners for the engines. The JT3Ds replaced
the J57s in AFRES and ANG KC-135As, converting them to KC-135Es.

"Steven P. McNicoll"wrote

Bob (not my real pseudonym) wrote:
Also, wasn't part of the reason the USAF scarfed up so many used 707
and 720 airframes back in the '80s was for replacement vertical stabs
for the KC-135s? Or was the folding stab only implemented on the
367-80?


The USAF bought the retired airliners for the engines. The JT3Ds
replaced the J57s in AFRES and ANG KC-135As, converting them to
KC-135Es.

That might have been, but during the early 1980s, I ferried 3-4 B-707s
to the boneyard in Arizona and they were buying ours for the HORIZONAL
stabilizers. Years later they did the engine swaps.

Bob Moore

Bob Moore wrote:

That might have been, but during the early 1980s, I ferried 3-4 B-707s
to the boneyard in Arizona and they were buying ours for the HORIZONAL
stabilizers. Years later they did the engine swaps.


The reengining program began in 1982.