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Kimmy Boyer wrote:
On Mon, 3 May 2010 07:50:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On May 3, 9:36*am, Mxsmanic wrote: writes: That's because you are simulating, you are not flying a real airplane. What changes in the real world that would make V66 a poor choice? I will answer that after you answer my questions. Here we have two utter morons in a debate...over who is the bigger moron. wow isn't RAP great. No wonder most of us have left. OK, question for the morons...I'm a pilot and aircraft owner. Altho I've never flown between Phoenix & Montgomery, but I have flown in Arizona (and Phoenix in particular), is my recommendation any less valid or more valid? And strangely enough (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Mx has made a perfectly reasonable route suggestion. I checked my charts and such and agree with his recommendation. I don't say this because I trust the US Feds on routes but looking at the geography, MOAs and such, it does make sense. [I really can't believe that not only am I agreeing with Mx but supporting him...) |
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Blanche writes:
And strangely enough (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Mx has made a perfectly reasonable route suggestion. I checked my charts and such and agree with his recommendation. I don't say this because I trust the US Feds on routes but looking at the geography, MOAs and such, it does make sense. Thanks. I really can't believe that not only am I agreeing with Mx but supporting him...) It might be easier to believe if you remember that I'm just passing information on, not making it up. I didn't cook up the route myself. I looked at the charts, too, and I looked at existing flight plans, and (long ago) I experimented with trying other routes, etc. Hundreds of flights follow this route every day, so why should I reinvent the wheel? It jumps out at you from the chart; it's obviously intended to get you efficiently and safely to SoCal. It mystifies me that anyone would insist on rejecting what is obviously the most practical solution. I think that it may be a rejection of authority, which is a very dangerous trait in a pilot. As it happens, I'm passing over Dateland at this very minute, FL320 on J2 to KSAN. Recently the LYNDI2 has replaced the BARET4 as the preferred arrival, so I filed that. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
It might be easier to believe if you remember that I'm just passing information on, not making it up. I didn't cook up the route myself. I looked at the charts, too, and I looked at existing flight plans, and (long ago) I experimented with trying other routes, etc. Hundreds of flights follow this route every day, so why should I reinvent the wheel? It jumps out at you from the chart; it's obviously intended to get you efficiently and safely to SoCal. V66 is no more safe or efficient than any other legal route. It mystifies me that anyone would insist on rejecting what is obviously the most practical solution. Obviously the most practical to you only. I think that it may be a rejection of authority, which is a very dangerous trait in a pilot. Victor airways have no "authority" of any kind. Anyone is free to use them or not as they desire. As it happens, I'm passing over Dateland at this very minute, FL320 on J2 to KSAN. Recently the LYNDI2 has replaced the BARET4 as the preferred arrival, so I filed that. Nonsense, you are sitting in front of a computer playing a game. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Blanche wrote:
Kimmy Boyer wrote: On Mon, 3 May 2010 07:50:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On May 3, 9:36?am, Mxsmanic wrote: writes: That's because you are simulating, you are not flying a real airplane. What changes in the real world that would make V66 a poor choice? I will answer that after you answer my questions. Here we have two utter morons in a debate...over who is the bigger moron. wow isn't RAP great. No wonder most of us have left. OK, question for the morons...I'm a pilot and aircraft owner. Altho I've never flown between Phoenix & Montgomery, but I have flown in Arizona (and Phoenix in particular), is my recommendation any less valid or more valid? And strangely enough (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Mx has made a perfectly reasonable route suggestion. I checked my charts and such and agree with his recommendation. I don't say this because I trust the US Feds on routes but looking at the geography, MOAs and such, it does make sense. [I really can't believe that not only am I agreeing with Mx but supporting him...) There is nothing "wrong" with flying Victor airways. The issue is the assignment by MX of some mystical qualities of "safeness" to them that doesn't exist. Flying on Victor airways is no safer than flying any other legal route. The "best" route depends on your equipment and your goals, and can include anything from minimum fuel to wanting to see some scenic landmark from the air. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: Flying on Victor airways is no safer than flying any other legal route. Then why do they exist? Convenience in a pre-GPS world and derived from A-N courses in a pre-VOR world. In the VOR world, the ambiguity's in VOR accuracy spreads people laterally across a Victor airway. In the GPS world, the accuracy of GPS puts everyone right down the center line of a Victor airway. Which situation is intrinsically safer as you near a VOR? -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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![]() wrote There is nothing "wrong" with flying Victor airways. The issue is the assignment by MX of some mystical qualities of "safeness" to them that doesn't exist. MX may be partly right, often. Thing is, he will always _ _ ALWAYS _ _ end up turning the conversation around to make you argue a point that is of no importance _ _ JUST _ _ to prove you wrong. ALWAYS ! ! ! Can anyone disagree with that? The point is, why bother, when you know it is coming? Can anyone think of one good reason? Just one? -- Jim in NC |
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On May 4, 11:16*am, Blanche wrote:
And strangely enough (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Mx has made a perfectly reasonable route suggestion. While the route suggestion is perfectly reasonable, his response to VOR DME was not. He types in as if he is flying the route, he is not. I mean really he says (these are HIS words) "I'm not into daring things. I'm into safety and simplicity". What is daring about going off a victor highway in MSFS???? What is unsafe about going off a victor highway in MSFS. Does the computer reboot if he busts airspace? And to my knowlege even if the computer rebooted, there is nothing unsafe about a reboot of a computer. Now, if he said his G1000 rebooted while in a REAL plane, Houston we have a problem. Heck I don't have any glass cockpit time so maybe it's not a problem. Simply put, if one didn't catch all the responses, you would never know he has never set foot in a cockpit. VOR DME's thoughts were more along what I would have done. Use GPS as primary navigation not the airway. GPS way more accurate and as long as you stay out of airspace, you don't belong in, keep the airplane on the magenta line and maintain VFR with the ground? Nothing risky or unsafe at all about doing this as long as you are on top of your game. If you are not, then you shouldn't be flying in complicated airspace anyway. I think that when I ask a question that I get answers from qualified people. I would hope that you would not count Mx as qualified to answer real world question from MFSX experience. Routing and flight planning I don't go to MSFS for scenarios. I use a real bonified flight planner and fly it in the real bonified world that expands beyond a computer monitor (or two) All the flight planning in the world doesn't change the fact when you plan something and something uhhhh, like a cloud (understand not likely in Phoenix but a scenario) is between you and your destination. In all my MSFS sim time, this has never happened to me, yet in the real world, I have had to deviate to avoid the cloud while VFR several times while ensuring I remain clear of airspace while enroute. So, I am pretty safe to say Mx is NOT qualified to answering questions about flight planning. I think that Mx's background needs to be brought front and center to those that step into this newsgroup (I have never seen RT12 post before) so they understand that he is not qualified to respond to real world situations when he isn't even a student pilot. |
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