KCHD to KMYF

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Don't know, don't care.

So you're planning a route that uses this station for navigation, and you
don't care about the station frequency? How do you plan to tune to the station
without this information.

The fact that it is shown as a VORTAC on their vector charts is enough for
me to send in a bug report, which I have already done.

Good for you, but how can you look at a VORTAC and not notice the frequency?

TACANs don't have a VOR frequency, which is a really, really good hint that
they shouldn't be used for VOR navigation. On the standard NACO IFR charts,
this station has only a channel, without a VOR frequency, so you know right
away that it's different (it uses a different symbol, too).

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Don't know, don't care.

So you're planning a route that uses this station for navigation, and you
don't care about the station frequency? How do you plan to tune to the station
without this information.

No, I don't care what frequency, if any, FlightPrep gives since the depiction
on the chart is wrong to start with.

The fact that it is shown as a VORTAC on their vector charts is enough for
me to send in a bug report, which I have already done.

Good for you, but how can you look at a VORTAC and not notice the frequency?

The frequencies are of no interest while doing initial planning and are
irrelevant until the route has been cross checked against the raster charts
and finalized.


--
Jim Pennino

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No, I don't care what frequency, if any, FlightPrep gives since the depiction
on the chart is wrong to start with.

But you apparently didn't care about the frequency before you learned of the
error, either.

The frequencies are of no interest while doing initial planning and are
irrelevant until the route has been cross checked against the raster charts
and finalized.

Checking the frequency would have told you something was wrong.

And why select NYL if BZA is right next to it and happens to be on V66 and
clear of all MOAs and restricted areas? What does picking a different station
prove?

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

No, I don't care what frequency, if any, FlightPrep gives since the depiction
on the chart is wrong to start with.

But you apparently didn't care about the frequency before you learned of the
error, either.

Yep, because as I said below checking frequencies is one of the last things
done.

The frequencies are of no interest while doing initial planning and are
irrelevant until the route has been cross checked against the raster charts
and finalized.

Checking the frequency would have told you something was wrong.

Which, if it were a real plan, would have been done at the end like I said
four times now.

And why select NYL if BZA is right next to it and happens to be on V66 and
clear of all MOAs and restricted areas? What does picking a different station
prove?

So would be NYL if it were a VORTAC as shown by FlightPrep and it would
be a shorter VOR to VOR route, if it existed, and you wouldn't be on V66,
you would be close to it.


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Jim Pennino

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So would be NYL if it were a VORTAC as shown by FlightPrep and it would
be a shorter VOR to VOR route, if it existed, and you wouldn't be on V66,
you would be close to it.

That doesn't answer my question. BZA is right on V66, it's part of the airway.
NYL is a few miles away. Even if NYL were a VORTAC, why would you route your
flight off-airway over NYL, instead of staying on the airway and overflying
BZA? Especially since NYL is in a MOA, and BZA is not. And the semi-direct
route KCHD.NYL.KMYF is actually slightly over 2 miles longer than the route
KCHD.BZA.KMYF. It doesn't make sense.

Oh well ... time to fly again. I have two Citations parked at KSAN; I guess I
could fly one back to Sky Harbor. My route would be POGGI2 IPL J18 MOHAK
GEELA3, like so many other flights by others, although I'm sure you'd
disapprove. I've flown the route by following Interstate 8 sometimes (not in a
Citation), but it's tedious. A C152 is really slow and doesn't let you rest
for a moment (no autopilot), but I did that once, just for practice. I'll have
to think about it.

Mxsmanic wrote:

Oh well ... time to fly again. I have two Citations parked at KSAN; I guess I
could fly one back to Sky Harbor. My route would be POGGI2 IPL J18 MOHAK
GEELA3, like so many other flights by others, although I'm sure you'd
disapprove. I've flown the route by following Interstate 8 sometimes (not in a
Citation), but it's tedious. A C152 is really slow and doesn't let you rest
for a moment (no autopilot), but I did that once, just for practice. I'll have
to think about it.

Yep, time to sit back in the chair in your room in front of the computer
screen and delude yourself into believing you are flying.


--
Jim Pennino

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Yep, time to sit back in the chair in your room in front of the computer
screen and delude yourself into believing you are flying.

That's what simulation is all about. Try it.

When you watch a movie, you delude yourself into believing that what's
happening on the screen is real ... otherwise it's impossible to enjoy the
movie. So do you refuse to watch movies because they aren't real?

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Oh well ... time to fly again. I have two Citations parked at KSAN; I guess I
could fly one back to Sky Harbor.


If I were you I'd fly BOTH Citations. It's safer - that way if anything unsafe
happens to one, you can just "be" in the other one!

Do you have a Life Simulator? Maybe MSLS?
How many hours do you have in that?

VOR-DME writes:

If I were you I'd fly BOTH Citations. It's safer - that way if anything unsafe
happens to one, you can just "be" in the other one!

The simulator doesn't allow that. Besides, flying a Citation X single-pilot is
quite a handful already.

Too bad (for the rest of us) you won't give reality a chance.
That lowly C152, object of disdain, would put you flat on your pompous ass and
face-to-face with reality in approximately 0min,0sec. But alas even this would
not suffice to inspire humility and slow the affront of words to the wise
(from the foolhardy).

Do you often need a "rest" when flying the computer game? So much work?
Stress? When the autopilot is on, what's left? Sit there with your tongue
hanging out, watching the pictures? Does that help with the stress level?



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says...


Oh well ... time to fly again. I have two Citations parked at KSAN; I guess I
could fly one back to Sky Harbor. My route would be POGGI2 IPL J18 MOHAK
GEELA3, like so many other flights by others, although I'm sure you'd
disapprove. I've flown the route by following Interstate 8 sometimes (not in
a
Citation), but it's tedious. A C152 is really slow and doesn't let you rest
for a moment (no autopilot), but I did that once, just for practice. I'll
have
to think about it.