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Kimmy Boyer wrote: On Mon, 3 May 2010 07:50:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On May 3, 9:36?am, Mxsmanic wrote: writes: That's because you are simulating, you are not flying a real airplane. What changes in the real world that would make V66 a poor choice? I will answer that after you answer my questions. Here we have two utter morons in a debate...over who is the bigger moron. wow isn't RAP great. No wonder most of us have left. OK, question for the morons...I'm a pilot and aircraft owner. Altho I've never flown between Phoenix & Montgomery, but I have flown in Arizona (and Phoenix in particular), is my recommendation any less valid or more valid? And strangely enough (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Mx has made a perfectly reasonable route suggestion. I checked my charts and such and agree with his recommendation. I don't say this because I trust the US Feds on routes but looking at the geography, MOAs and such, it does make sense. [I really can't believe that not only am I agreeing with Mx but supporting him...) There is nothing "wrong" with flying Victor airways. The issue is the assignment by MX of some mystical qualities of "safeness" to them that doesn't exist. Flying on Victor airways is no safer than flying any other legal route. The "best" route depends on your equipment and your goals, and can include anything from minimum fuel to wanting to see some scenic landmark from the air. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: Flying on Victor airways is no safer than flying any other legal route. Then why do they exist? Convenience in a pre-GPS world and derived from A-N courses in a pre-VOR world. In the VOR world, the ambiguity's in VOR accuracy spreads people laterally across a Victor airway. In the GPS world, the accuracy of GPS puts everyone right down the center line of a Victor airway. Which situation is intrinsically safer as you near a VOR? -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: On an airway, you know that if you maintain a certain altitude, you won't hit any obstacles or terrain. Off-airway, you have to try to determine that from low-resolution charts, for your entire route. Obviously you don't really know how to read a Sectional and you have to determine the minimum safe altitude from the Sectional whether you are on or off of a Victor airway. How many midair collisions have occurred along airways and at VORs thus far? Enough that there have been several articles about the subject. Let's be honest: The only reason you have a problem with flying along an airway is that I suggested it. Nope, the problem I have is you seeme to be convinced that using a Victor airway has some magical properties that guarantee's safety. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: Obviously you don't really know how to read a Sectional and you have to determine the minimum safe altitude from the Sectional whether you are on or off of a Victor airway. The minimum safe altitude for an airway isn't necessarily the same as the maximum elevation figure for the quadrant on the sectional. Furthermore, OROCAs on IFR charts are still different (with a more generous buffer). Ice cream has no bones. Enough that there have been several articles about the subject. Can you point me to some of them? Google. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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![]() wrote There is nothing "wrong" with flying Victor airways. The issue is the assignment by MX of some mystical qualities of "safeness" to them that doesn't exist. MX may be partly right, often. Thing is, he will always _ _ ALWAYS _ _ end up turning the conversation around to make you argue a point that is of no importance _ _ JUST _ _ to prove you wrong. ALWAYS ! ! ! Can anyone disagree with that? The point is, why bother, when you know it is coming? Can anyone think of one good reason? Just one? -- Jim in NC |
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