Simulators

birdog writes:

To MX: Son, you're way too defensive.

I don't have to be defensive, since I'm not offended.

Pilots die as a result of major lapses in judgement. I'm not saying
that's part of the appeal, but it tends to sharpen attention, and
increase the heart rate.

If a pilot needs fear of death to fly correctly and safely, he has a serious
psychological problem. And if the risk of death is part of the appeal of
flying for him, he also has a serious problem. Both of these are highly
correlated with poor piloting.

Don't tell me these things never happen to a
seasoned pilot. With proper training, these things become incidents, not
disasters. And panic creates disasters.

How do you train for things that are inherently very dangerous?

On May 17, 8:19*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

How do you train for things that are inherently very dangerous?

By flying and training with instructors who actually fly..

george writes:

By flying and training with instructors who actually fly..

If the instructor or student makes a mistake, then what?

In a real aircraft, training for emergency situations may be more hazardous
than not training for them, particularly if the emergency is rare in normal
operation or is difficult to recover from.

In simulators, the cost of training for recovery from a specific emergency
must be balanced against the cost of training to avoid it, or training for
some other situation. Another consideration for simulation is whether or not
the simulator correctly simulates unusual situations--the most accurate
simulators are driven by databases built from actual test flights, and if
there is no data for a specific flight regime, the simulation cannot be relied
upon. At the same time, however, the regime in question might be so dangerous
in real life that using a real aircraft is out of the question.

Do airline pilots train for spin recovery in their airliners?

On May 16, 5:28*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
george writes:
By flying and training with instructors who actually fly..

If the instructor or student makes a mistake, then what?

They die. They don't reboot the computer and try again. That's the
difference. If I teach somebody incorrectly they may die, and I may
die with them. My life and my family's well-being is on the line every
time I go to work, which is why when some non-flying twit who's never
actually flown an airplane starts contradicting pilots and instructors
in a flying forum, it's worthy contempt, ridicule and exposure as a
perfect example of willful ignorance. Go fly around a few circuits
around a traffic pattern sometime like all students do on Training Day
One and you'll begin to have the capacity to understand. But you have
a stated lack of willingness to do even -that-.

Flying is safe if you do it masterfully and deadly if you do not. The
aviators out here, student or ATP, have demonstrated their mettle by
the fact that they're alive to tell about it.

That's why instructors and pilots out here keep telling you that
you're full of ****. You have no idea where your lack of understanding
even begins and you don't listen when people try to tell you civilly.
I used to defend you and try to explain it to you, but, all of us have
learned that you're not interested in learning, you're interested in
telling everybody how much you know about everything.

Do airline pilots train for spin recovery in their airliners?

Just about every living airline pilot has demonstrated spin recovery
in one aircraft or another. Your options in a spin are to do nothing
and die, or do something and try to recover. Some airplanes do not
recover from spins predictably or without the potential for structural
damage, so, pilots don't spin every airplane the fly.

On May 19, 7:06*am, Alpha Propellerhead wrote:
On May 16, 5:28*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

george writes:
By flying and training with instructors who actually fly..

If the instructor or student makes a mistake, then what?

They die. They don't reboot the computer and try again. That's the
difference. If I teach somebody incorrectly they may die, and I may
die with them. My life and my family's well-being is on the line every
time I go to work, which is why when some non-flying twit who's never
actually flown an airplane starts contradicting pilots and instructors
in a flying forum, it's worthy contempt, ridicule and exposure as a
perfect example of willful ignorance. *Go fly around a few circuits
around a traffic pattern sometime like all students do on Training Day
One and you'll begin to have the capacity to understand. But you have
a stated lack of willingness to do even -that-.

Flying is safe if you do it masterfully and deadly if you do not. The
aviators out here, student or ATP, have demonstrated their mettle by
the fact that they're alive to tell about it.

That's why instructors and pilots out here keep telling you that
you're full of ****. You have no idea where your lack of understanding
even begins and you don't listen when people try to tell you civilly.
I used to defend you and try to explain it to you, but, all of us have
learned that you're not interested in learning, you're interested in
telling everybody how much you know about everything.

Do airline pilots train for spin recovery in their airliners?

Just about every living airline pilot has demonstrated spin recovery
in one aircraft or another. Your options in a spin are to do nothing
and die, or do something and try to recover. Some airplanes do not
recover from spins predictably or without the potential for structural
damage, so, pilots don't spin every airplane the fly.

I let that one go as I have a life outside the Internet.
Well answered.
Fully developed stall recovery is in the PPL/CPL training regime.
I suppose to mixedup that doesn't count

On May 16, 3:19*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

If a pilot needs fear of death to fly correctly and safely, he has a serious
psychological problem. And if the risk of death is part of the appeal of
flying for him, he also has a serious problem. Both of these are highly
correlated with poor piloting.

WRONG.

writes:

WRONG.

I'm sure the NTSB will mention this in its report.

They say the last words of many private pilots before an accident are often
"Watch this!"

On May 16, 8:29*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
WRONG.

I'm sure the NTSB will mention this in its report.

They say the last words of many private pilots before an accident are often
"Watch this!"

It is unfortunate that even when you have something of value to
contribute to these endless argumentative threads involving you, your
glaringly obvious bias against pilots takes control over your comment.
Some of what you have said concerning the value of simulation in
teaching emergency procedures holds truth but your argument is
weakened by your bias.
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques writes:

It is unfortunate that even when you have something of value to
contribute to these endless argumentative threads involving you, your
glaringly obvious bias against pilots takes control over your comment.

I have no bias against pilots. I just know that many of them aren't nearly as
expert in aviation as they'd like to believe, especially the low-time PPLs
that seem to haunt this group (or at least seem to be the most prolific
posters).

On May 16, 10:01*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

, especially the low-time PPLs
that seem to haunt this group (or at least seem to be the most prolific
posters).

Pray tell, just how much time have you spent in a real plane behind
the yoke? Lets see just how much PIC time you can stack up against
the majority of the posters in the group.

Let me guess.

A. You wont answer
B. Your PIC time by FAA standards are far less then 99.99999 percent
of the posters in this group.
C. My guess your PIC time is zero.

All your sim time don't even stack up the reality of flying a real
plane because MSFS is not an FAA endorsed simulator is it?

Let me guess, you are not even a CGI either are you?

You single handedly are the haunt of this group pretending you pilot
C152, barons, Lears cross country and PRESENTING it as if you are in a
real plane.