Simulators

writes:

WRONG.

I'm sure the NTSB will mention this in its report.

They say the last words of many private pilots before an accident are often
"Watch this!"

On May 16, 8:29*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
WRONG.

I'm sure the NTSB will mention this in its report.

They say the last words of many private pilots before an accident are often
"Watch this!"

It is unfortunate that even when you have something of value to
contribute to these endless argumentative threads involving you, your
glaringly obvious bias against pilots takes control over your comment.
Some of what you have said concerning the value of simulation in
teaching emergency procedures holds truth but your argument is
weakened by your bias.
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques writes:

It is unfortunate that even when you have something of value to
contribute to these endless argumentative threads involving you, your
glaringly obvious bias against pilots takes control over your comment.

I have no bias against pilots. I just know that many of them aren't nearly as
expert in aviation as they'd like to believe, especially the low-time PPLs
that seem to haunt this group (or at least seem to be the most prolific
posters).

On May 16, 10:01*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

, especially the low-time PPLs
that seem to haunt this group (or at least seem to be the most prolific
posters).

Pray tell, just how much time have you spent in a real plane behind
the yoke? Lets see just how much PIC time you can stack up against
the majority of the posters in the group.

Let me guess.

A. You wont answer
B. Your PIC time by FAA standards are far less then 99.99999 percent
of the posters in this group.
C. My guess your PIC time is zero.

All your sim time don't even stack up the reality of flying a real
plane because MSFS is not an FAA endorsed simulator is it?

Let me guess, you are not even a CGI either are you?

You single handedly are the haunt of this group pretending you pilot
C152, barons, Lears cross country and PRESENTING it as if you are in a
real plane.

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Pray tell, just how much time have you spent in a real plane behind
the yoke?

None--at least none in flight. So what?

Lets see just how much PIC time you can stack up against
the majority of the posters in the group.

Why?

All your sim time don't even stack up the reality of flying a real
plane because MSFS is not an FAA endorsed simulator is it?

Even if it were a FAA-certified simulator, it would not necessarily qualify as
PIC time.

However, certified simulators are overrated. A certified simulator isn't
necessarily a good simulator ... it's just a certified simulator. That means
that the FAA lets you log time on the sim for certain purposes under certain
conditions--and nothing more. Many simulators are specialized for a certain
purpose: they simulate one aspect of flying with perfect or near-perfect
fidelity, but they hardly simulate anything else at all. And if it's
certified, it's always overpriced.

Let me guess, you are not even a CGI either are you?

No. So what?

You single handedly are the haunt of this group pretending you pilot
C152, barons, Lears cross country and PRESENTING it as if you are in a
real plane.

I don't fly Learjets; I fly a Citation X instead. I use that aircraft for
flights suited to bizjets.

Anyway, if I talk about my simulation and people think I'm flying a real
airplane, then my simulation must be pretty good (it fooled the FAA once). On
the other hand, if it's obvious that I'm simulating, then it doesn't matter if
I don't mention the fact, does it?

I know a lot about a number of different aircraft because I've flown them in
simulation. Many PPLs don't know anything about any airplane except the one
they usually fly. I see examples of the latter regularly here.

Mxsmanic wrote:

However, certified simulators are overrated. A certified simulator isn't
necessarily a good simulator ... it's just a certified simulator. That means
that the FAA lets you log time on the sim for certain purposes under certain
conditions--and nothing more. Many simulators are specialized for a certain
purpose: they simulate one aspect of flying with perfect or near-perfect
fidelity, but they hardly simulate anything else at all. And if it's
certified, it's always overpriced.

Delusional babble.


--
Jim Pennino

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Anyway, if I talk about my simulation and people think I'm flying a real
airplane, then my simulation must be pretty good (it fooled the FAA once). On
the other hand, if it's obvious that I'm simulating, then it doesn't matter
if
I don't mention the fact, does it?


That is a very revealing statement. If you talk about simulated flying
experience and you do not inform the listener your experience was simulated it
simply means you are faking. If some people do not call you on it immediately,
it is only because most of us are charitable enough not to assume we're being
lied to until it becomes obvious.

It will not take long, based on your contributions here, for any real pilot to
understand you know far less than you imagine and have a poor grasp of the
fundamentals of flying.

You statement here indicates clearly you do not use simulation in its own
right, for edification and enjoyment, but that you spend your time trying to
fool people (including the FAA) into believing you are a pilot.

VOR-DME writes:

That is a very revealing statement. If you talk about simulated flying
experience and you do not inform the listener your experience was simulated it
simply means you are faking.

Not really. The fact that I simulate isn't necessarily relevant to the
conversation. Remember, virtually all aspects of simulation work just as the
real world does ... that's the point. Pull back on the yoke and pitch
increases. Extend the gear and drag increases. It doesn't really matter if
it's simulated or real.

However, if the Yeager-wannabe cannot tell that I'm talking about simulation,
either the simulation is very good or the Real Pilot is pretty bad. Usually I
think it's the former.

If some people do not call you on it immediately,
it is only because most of us are charitable enough not to assume we're being
lied to until it becomes obvious.

I never say that I fly a real airplane; I simply don't mention that it's
simulation. As I've said, it's usually irrelevant. IFR procedures are executed
in exactly the same way in simulation as they are in real life--so why mention
that it is simulation when discussing it? Especially when the treehouse club
starts hooting like a pack of apes every time they hear the word simulation.

It will not take long, based on your contributions here, for any real pilot to
understand you know far less than you imagine and have a poor grasp of the
fundamentals of flying.

Except that I do not have a poor grasp of the fundamentals of flying. That's
what irritates a lot of the junior pilots here who apparently got their PPLs
just to boost their egos, rather than for the purpose of flying.

You statement here indicates clearly you do not use simulation in its own
right, for edification and enjoyment, but that you spend your time trying to
fool people (including the FAA) into believing you are a pilot.

No, my statement indicates that I consider aviation to be the same subject
whether people simulate or fly a real airplane. As for the FAA, I never talked
to them at all.

On May 16, 10:27*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
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Lets see just how much PIC time you can stack up against
the majority of the posters in the group.

Why?

Demonstrates you are not proficient in flying real planes. In fact,
you can't even say you are a proficient pilot. Maybe a proficient
MSFS pilot, but not a pilot of a real plane. As stated in another
thread, the two are not the same (MSFS and real life piloting an
airplane)

Let me guess, you are not even a CGI either are you?

No. So what?

Demonstrates you are not a credible source for flying real airplanes.

Anyway, if I talk about my simulation and people think I'm flying a real
airplane, then my simulation must be pretty good (it fooled the FAA once).. On
the other hand, if it's obvious that I'm simulating, then it doesn't matter if
I don't mention the fact, does it?

Demonstrates you are not a credible source for flying real airplanes.
Demonstrates you are not an honest person
Demonstrates you pretend you are something you are not.

Many PPLs don't know anything about any airplane except the one
they usually fly. *

Which is more then what you know. You don't fly a real airplane do
you?

I flew a Beech Sundowner. I don't need to know anything about Beech
Barons, Sieras, Lears, Citations do I? All I need to know is what a
Beech Sundowner does in the real world.

Nothing bad happens to me with my Beech Sundowner add in on MSFS.
Worst thing that happens is I restart MSFS.

I can't say the same in my real life Beech Sundowner or something
really bad will happen. What part of that do you not
understand???????????

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Demonstrates you are not proficient in flying real planes.

A total lack of PIC time demonstrates nothing at all. I might be proficient
the first time I flew. Conversely, there are many pilots with hours of PIC
time who are not proficient.

In fact, you can't even say you are a proficient pilot. Maybe a
proficient MSFS pilot, but not a pilot of a real plane.

Practically the same thing.

As stated in another
thread, the two are not the same (MSFS and real life piloting an
airplane)

Not identical, but very close.

Demonstrates you are not a credible source for flying real airplanes.

See above.

Which is more then what you know.

No, it's not. Sometimes they know less about their flying than I do, which is
a bit worrisome.

You don't fly a real airplane do you?

Not currently.

I flew a Beech Sundowner. I don't need to know anything about Beech
Barons, Sieras, Lears, Citations do I? All I need to know is what a
Beech Sundowner does in the real world.

True. So I apparently know a lot more than you do about Barons and Citations,
since I fly those regularly in simulation.

Nothing bad happens to me with my Beech Sundowner add in on MSFS.
Worst thing that happens is I restart MSFS.

That's one of the advantages to simulation.

I can't say the same in my real life Beech Sundowner or something
really bad will happen.

Yes, that time may come. Probably in IMC.