Simulators

On May 16, 10:27*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Lets see just how much PIC time you can stack up against
the majority of the posters in the group.

Why?

Demonstrates you are not proficient in flying real planes. In fact,
you can't even say you are a proficient pilot. Maybe a proficient
MSFS pilot, but not a pilot of a real plane. As stated in another
thread, the two are not the same (MSFS and real life piloting an
airplane)

Let me guess, you are not even a CGI either are you?

No. So what?

Demonstrates you are not a credible source for flying real airplanes.

Anyway, if I talk about my simulation and people think I'm flying a real
airplane, then my simulation must be pretty good (it fooled the FAA once).. On
the other hand, if it's obvious that I'm simulating, then it doesn't matter if
I don't mention the fact, does it?

Demonstrates you are not a credible source for flying real airplanes.
Demonstrates you are not an honest person
Demonstrates you pretend you are something you are not.

Many PPLs don't know anything about any airplane except the one
they usually fly. *

Which is more then what you know. You don't fly a real airplane do
you?

I flew a Beech Sundowner. I don't need to know anything about Beech
Barons, Sieras, Lears, Citations do I? All I need to know is what a
Beech Sundowner does in the real world.

Nothing bad happens to me with my Beech Sundowner add in on MSFS.
Worst thing that happens is I restart MSFS.

I can't say the same in my real life Beech Sundowner or something
really bad will happen. What part of that do you not
understand???????????

writes:

Demonstrates you are not proficient in flying real planes.

A total lack of PIC time demonstrates nothing at all. I might be proficient
the first time I flew. Conversely, there are many pilots with hours of PIC
time who are not proficient.

In fact, you can't even say you are a proficient pilot. Maybe a
proficient MSFS pilot, but not a pilot of a real plane.

Practically the same thing.

As stated in another
thread, the two are not the same (MSFS and real life piloting an
airplane)

Not identical, but very close.

Demonstrates you are not a credible source for flying real airplanes.

See above.

Which is more then what you know.

No, it's not. Sometimes they know less about their flying than I do, which is
a bit worrisome.

You don't fly a real airplane do you?

Not currently.

I flew a Beech Sundowner. I don't need to know anything about Beech
Barons, Sieras, Lears, Citations do I? All I need to know is what a
Beech Sundowner does in the real world.

True. So I apparently know a lot more than you do about Barons and Citations,
since I fly those regularly in simulation.

Nothing bad happens to me with my Beech Sundowner add in on MSFS.
Worst thing that happens is I restart MSFS.

That's one of the advantages to simulation.

I can't say the same in my real life Beech Sundowner or something
really bad will happen.

Yes, that time may come. Probably in IMC.

On May 17, 1:16*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

In fact, you can't even say you are a proficient pilot. *Maybe a
proficient MSFS pilot, but not a pilot of a real plane.

Practically the same thing.

And what experience do you have to support this opinion?????? :YOUR
experience please in flying real airplanes. Or are you going to
continue to demonstrate you are not a credible source for flying real
airplanes

As stated in another
thread, the two are not the same (MSFS and real life piloting an
airplane)

Not identical, but very close.

And what experience do you have to support this opinion?????? :YOUR
experience please in flying real airplanes. Or are you going to
continue to demonstrate you are not a credible source for flying real
airplanes

Demonstrates you are not a credible source for flying real airplanes.

See above.

See above.

Above demonstrates you are not a credible source for flying real
airplanes

You don't fly a real airplane do you?

Not currently.

Above demonstrates you are not a credible source for flying real
airplanes

writes:

And what experience do you have to support this opinion?????? :YOUR
experience please in flying real airplanes.

What experience do you have to support your opinion. Your experience in
simulation?

On May 17, 3:16*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
And what experience do you have to support this opinion?????? *:YOUR
experience please in flying real airplanes.

What experience do you have to support your opinion. Your experience in
simulation?

I have MSFS 10. I fly a Beech Sundowner and now will be going back to
Cessnas (sold my plane).

I ASKED A VERY DIRECT QUESTION that you FAILED TO ANSWER.

What REAL plane do you fly to support your opionion. I can support
point by point the difference between MSFS and a real plane (I have
already mentioned one). What can you provide????

You answering with questions doesn't show credibility that you know
what you are talking about does it? It only shows you diverting the
problem at hand that you do not know what it takes to fly a real plane.

On May 17, 4:20*pm, " wrote:
On May 17, 3:16*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

writes:
And what experience do you have to support this opinion?????? *:YOUR
experience please in flying real airplanes.

What experience do you have to support your opinion. Your experience in
simulation?

I have MSFS 10. *I fly a Beech Sundowner and now will be going back to
Cessnas (sold my plane).

I ASKED A VERY DIRECT QUESTION that you FAILED TO ANSWER.

What REAL plane do you fly to support your opionion. *I can support
point by point the difference between MSFS and a real plane (I have
already mentioned one). *What can you provide????

You answering with questions doesn't show credibility that you know
what you are talking about does it? *It only shows you diverting the
problem at hand that you do not know what it takes to fly a real plane.

There are several different 'models' of the world here. Many here,
including you, experienced something like this

"Outer Marker Inbound"

"Contact tower now, on nnn.m"

"Going to nnn.m, thanks"

tower says visibility a half mile, ceiling 250 feet, winds 20 gusts 30
at 140 degrees, and you're inbound to runway 10. That's a serious
crosswind.

hand fly down, needles pretty much where they should be, very bumpy,
very dark. The missed approach is memorized, a decision already made
that the alternate, 150 miles away, is what'll happen if the airport
environment isn't in sight at minimums

Through 230 feet agl, big bounces, and there are the lead in strobes,
15 degrees from where the airplane is pointing, exactly where I
thought they'd appear.

Transition to visual, carry an extra 8 knots into the flare, only 20
degrees of flaps, and I start sucking them up going into the flare,
because I want this thing to be done flying when it's on the runway.
The upwind wheel makes contact, then the other main. Flaps retracted
(I know my airplane well enough, and verify time and again my finger
is on the flap control.

Roll out turn off, get to my tiedown, shut down, tie that baby down
in driving rain, get soaked, get into the car, as high on.Maslow's
hierarchy as one can get, and drive home to a loving wife and a glass
of wine.

Then there's MSFS:

Coming up on a simulated 400 feet agl, no buffeting, not feeling the
yoke alive in your hands, not having the sensation of a wing lifting
in a gust, the only evidence of a wind shear being what? change in
indicated airspeed, change in indicated pitch, with no physical
sensations to play with your senses?

To my mind, and I am sure yours, there is a significant difference in
the physiological and psychological rewards between the two models. It
is not easily explained to someone who has experienced our real
world.

It's his loss.

a writes:

There are several different 'models' of the world here. Many here,
including you, experienced something like this

"Outer Marker Inbound"

"Contact tower now, on nnn.m"

"Going to nnn.m, thanks"

tower says visibility a half mile, ceiling 250 feet, winds 20 gusts 30
at 140 degrees, and you're inbound to runway 10. That's a serious
crosswind.

hand fly down, needles pretty much where they should be, very bumpy,
very dark. The missed approach is memorized, a decision already made
that the alternate, 150 miles away, is what'll happen if the airport
environment isn't in sight at minimums

Through 230 feet agl, big bounces, and there are the lead in strobes,
15 degrees from where the airplane is pointing, exactly where I
thought they'd appear.

Transition to visual, carry an extra 8 knots into the flare, only 20
degrees of flaps, and I start sucking them up going into the flare,
because I want this thing to be done flying when it's on the runway.
The upwind wheel makes contact, then the other main. Flaps retracted
(I know my airplane well enough, and verify time and again my finger
is on the flap control.

I did this, too, a few flights ago. What's different?

Roll out turn off, get to my tiedown, shut down, tie that baby down
in driving rain, get soaked, get into the car, as high on.Maslow's
hierarchy as one can get, and drive home to a loving wife and a glass
of wine.

My simulation stops with the tiedown, which is exactly where I prefer it to
stop.

Coming up on a simulated 400 feet agl, no buffeting, not feeling the
yoke alive in your hands, not having the sensation of a wing lifting
in a gust, the only evidence of a wind shear being what? change in
indicated airspeed, change in indicated pitch, with no physical
sensations to play with your senses?

Which version of MSFS are you using? I get most of that except for the
physical sensations.

To my mind, and I am sure yours, there is a significant difference in
the physiological and psychological rewards between the two models. It
is not easily explained to someone who has experienced our real
world.

It depends on what you get out of flying.

On May 17, 4:09*pm, a wrote:

There are several different 'models' of the world here. Many here,
including you, experienced something like this

"Outer Marker Inbound"

"Contact tower now, on nnn.m"

"Going to nnn.m, thanks"

tower says visibility a half mile, ceiling 250 feet, winds 20 gusts 30
at 140 degrees, and you're inbound to runway 10. That's a serious
crosswind.

hand fly down, needles pretty much where they should be, very bumpy,
very dark. The missed approach is memorized, a decision already made
that the alternate, 150 miles away, is what'll happen if the airport
environment isn't in sight at minimums

Through 230 feet agl, big bounces, and there are the lead in strobes,
15 degrees from where the airplane is pointing, exactly where I
thought they'd appear.

Transition to visual, carry an extra 8 knots into the flare, only 20
degrees of flaps, and I start sucking them up going into the flare,
because I want this thing to be done flying when it's on the runway.
The upwind wheel makes contact, then the other main. Flaps retracted
(I know my airplane well enough, and verify time and again my finger
is on the flap control.

Roll out *turn off, get to my tiedown, shut down, tie that baby down
in driving rain, get soaked, get into the car, as high on.Maslow's
hierarchy as one can get, and drive home to a loving wife and a glass
of wine.

'nuf said...... Just reading it brings back the feelings that I have
been there and done it.

And I have.....

It's his loss.

Amen fellow PILOT.

writes:

I have MSFS 10. I fly a Beech Sundowner and now will be going back to
Cessnas (sold my plane).

Which aircraft do you fly in MSFS, and where did they come from?

What REAL plane do you fly to support your opionion.

I don't fly a real airplane. But I don't need a real airplane to support my
opinion.

I can support
point by point the difference between MSFS and a real plane (I have
already mentioned one).

So? Obviously there will be differences.

You answering with questions doesn't show credibility that you know
what you are talking about does it?

You're entitled to your opinion, which I'm sure I cannot change.

It only shows you diverting the problem at hand that you do not
know what it takes to fly a real plane.

Which things does it take that I don't know?

On May 17, 5:10*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

It only shows you diverting the problem at hand that you do not
know what it takes to fly a real plane.

Which things does it take that I don't know?

Yet another question answering a question.

Your answer is above. Detail must not be your forte.