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Mxsmanic wrote:
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For starters, you have no clue how to do flight planning and believe
that all that is required is some abbreviated entries on a FAA flight
plan form.

No. List the specific, factual errors, and correct them. Expressing an opinion
is not correcting an error.

When I asked you if you had ever filled out a flight planning sheet, you
replied that you had not because there would be no one to file it with
anyway.

That means you have no clue that "flight plan" refers to two things:

1. A detailed plan for the flight.

2. An abbreviated summary of the detailed plan filed with the FAA.

All real pilots do number 1 for all flights (other than the obvious such
as practice in the pattern) including VFR flights.

It is one of the first things you learn to do in real pilot training,
part of the written test.

I even posted a link to PDF planning forms typical of what is used, but
you obviously didn't even bother to look at them, and if you did, had no
clue on how to fill one out.

These days most people use a computer based flight planning program and
generate the sheets automattically, but all real pilots know how to fill
one out by hand with pencil, paper, and real charts.

When you are done with number 1, you use that to fill out the FAA flight
plan form to (optionally for VFR) file with the FAA and you put number 1 on
your kneeboard and update it as you fly.

That's what real pilots are REQUIRED to do to meet the requiements of 91.103.


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Jim Pennino

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When I asked you if you had ever filled out a flight planning sheet, you
replied that you had not because there would be no one to file it with
anyway.

And there isn't (apart from a basic flight plan for VATSIM flights), for
flight simulation. So there is no error in this.

That means you have no clue that "flight plan" refers to two things:

1. A detailed plan for the flight.

2. An abbreviated summary of the detailed plan filed with the FAA.

I'm aware of both, but the facts above remain correct.

All real pilots do number 1 for all flights (other than the obvious such
as practice in the pattern) including VFR flights.

Not true. Many private pilots are exceedingly casual about flight planning.
This doesn't necessarily lead to accidents, but in many accidents, a lack of
proper planning is a contributing factor.

These days most people use a computer based flight planning program and
generate the sheets automattically, but all real pilots know how to fill
one out by hand with pencil, paper, and real charts.

What they know how to do when tested, and what they do in the real world when
flying, are not always the same things.

That's what real pilots are REQUIRED to do to meet the requiements
of 91.103.

There are a lot of things that private pilots are required to do that some of
them don't actually do in practice. The FAA has no way of enforcing these
requirements unless something happens during a flight.

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

When I asked you if you had ever filled out a flight planning sheet, you
replied that you had not because there would be no one to file it with
anyway.

And there isn't (apart from a basic flight plan for VATSIM flights), for
flight simulation. So there is no error in this.

Correct, there is no "error", just a total lack of understanding of the
subject on your part because you have no real world training or experience.

That means you have no clue that "flight plan" refers to two things:

1. A detailed plan for the flight.

2. An abbreviated summary of the detailed plan filed with the FAA.

I'm aware of both, but the facts above remain correct.

All real pilots do number 1 for all flights (other than the obvious such
as practice in the pattern) including VFR flights.

Not true. Many private pilots are exceedingly casual about flight planning.
This doesn't necessarily lead to accidents, but in many accidents, a lack of
proper planning is a contributing factor.

And you know this to be true how, by your hundreds of hours of actual
flight experience and contact with hundreds of real pilots?

The reality is most pilots these days are "casual" about flight planning
because the use of computer based flight planners make it a trivial task and
not the onerous task you seem to think it is.

These days most people use a computer based flight planning program and
generate the sheets automattically, but all real pilots know how to fill
one out by hand with pencil, paper, and real charts.

What they know how to do when tested, and what they do in the real world when
flying, are not always the same things.

True, but an irrelevant red herring in an attempt to change the direction
of the discussion from your inadequacies.

That's what real pilots are REQUIRED to do to meet the requiements
of 91.103.

There are a lot of things that private pilots are required to do that some of
them don't actually do in practice. The FAA has no way of enforcing these
requirements unless something happens during a flight.

True, but irrelevant.

The fact that real pilots are people and not always 100% perfect in their
every action is irrelevant to the original point of what YOU know and
what YOU do.

Given you don't know a thing about how to do flight planning, anything
you have to say about the topic, such as the "best" route from point A
to point B, is worthless.


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Jim Pennino

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Correct, there is no "error" ...

I agree.

And you know this to be true how, by your hundreds of hours of actual
flight experience and contact with hundreds of real pilots?

Pilots don't often admit doing stupid things, unless they are so stupid that
they don't realize that they are doing stupid things. However, people around
them notice, and sometimes accident reports mention it.

The relatively high accident statistics of private pilots demonstrate that
they are doing lots of stupid things as a group, although obviously there are
both stupid and smart private pilots out there.

The reality is most pilots these days are "casual" about flight planning
because the use of computer based flight planners make it a trivial task and
not the onerous task you seem to think it is.

Even with computers available, a significant number of pilots will not bother
to plan. Fuel exhaustion, for example, is still a very common cause of
incidents and accidents, and it's trivial to avoid with a bit of planning.

The fact that real pilots are people and not always 100% perfect in their
every action is irrelevant to the original point of what YOU know and
what YOU do.

You've already acknowledged that I'm correct.

Given you don't know a thing about how to do flight planning, anything
you have to say about the topic, such as the "best" route from point A
to point B, is worthless.

See above. There are facts, which in this case are generally correct when I
relate them, and there are opinions, which aren't worth much.

Mxsmanic wrote:
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Correct, there is no "error" ...

I agree.

I notice you ignored the quote marks around the word error and snipped the
rest, i.e. that you have no clue and anything you have to say on the subject
is just pulled out of your ass.

You've already acknowledged that I'm correct.

Nope, I politely said you are a clueless, babbling, jerk with no real
knowledge of much of anything and your only talent is diverting a discussion
away from the point of the discussion with irrelevant "factoids" supported
only by your assertions.


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Jim Pennino

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Nope, I politely said you are a clueless, babbling, jerk with no real
knowledge of much of anything and your only talent is diverting a discussion
away from the point of the discussion with irrelevant "factoids" supported
only by your assertions.

If ad hominem has never had any effect on me up to now, what leads you to
belive that it will have any effect henceforth? Or is it simply cathartic for
you?

Mxsmanic wrote:
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Nope, I politely said you are a clueless, babbling, jerk with no real
knowledge of much of anything and your only talent is diverting a discussion
away from the point of the discussion with irrelevant "factoids" supported
only by your assertions.

If ad hominem has never had any effect on me up to now, what leads you to
belive that it will have any effect henceforth? Or is it simply cathartic for
you?

It was a restatement in blunt terms since you are so delusional you can't
understand the subtle nuances of the original statement.

And you still have no clue how to do flight planning and anything you have
to say on the subject is just a wild assed guess pulled out of your ass.


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Jim Pennino

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