A Random Comment

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"birdog" wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"birdog" wrote:
As I mentioned before, after I lost my medical, I tried to stay
close to aviation (to no avail) by trying radio control and
simulation. During my brief sojurn in radio control, I joined a
"flying" club that was quite active. But more than a few
radiologists, when they found out that I was a licensed pilot, kinda
sulled up - not actually defensive - just avoided me as much as
possible. I think they all wanted to be pilots, but for some reason
- finances (althought some of those models were more expensive than
some of our early planes), the wife, inertia, etc. I think the final
straw for me when I saw a picture in one of their magazines showing
a modeler with helmet, goggles and scarf, landing a model biplane.

Interesting - I'd be curious to know what you think would transpire
if you tried posting the above paragraph to rec.models.rc.air.

It appears you formed a sweeping generalization of a whole class of
people based on a few subjective conclusions on your part. Any reason
why you ruled out the possibility that they avoided you was because
you might have been exhibiting a haughty or condescending attitude?
In other words, if one
person avoids you, lacking anything other than speculation, it is
equal probability the fault lies with them or you. But when a whole
group of people avoids you, what do you think the probability is that
a group having
only one thing in common would all be at fault for that behavior, but
not you?

Did I say the whole group? Did I say all?

You wrote "I think they all wanted to be pilots," and while the context
is arguably ambiguous about who you meant to include in the "all" group,
it looked to me like you were dismissive of all.

But then I read your other post (which I didn't see till after I'd sent
mine) that indicated you had considerable respect for the skills needed
for their hobby.

Why are you being defensive?

I want to make sure no one disrepects me should I someday decide to wear
a kilt while flying an RC model of a DC-3 with Scottish Airline markings.
;-)

However, I only ever tried - and failed - to fly an RC model airplane
once about 40 years ago. I'm lucky to get an HO scale model train around
a closed track without derailing it. (It never helped our cause, while I
was a kid, that what few plastic model planes my brothers and I did get
and build that they'd eventually find a lit cherry bomb in or attached to
them as their last rites.)

I just thought your post, had it appeared in an RC group, was uncannily
like the kind of post that, ahem, "endeared" Mxsmanic to so many people
on this group. Well, it does require the right kind of personality types
on both sides for an unending ping-pong "discussion."

While I may be an obnoxious *******,

You have many peers in this newsgroup! :-) Still, no properly obnoxious
******* admits to being one, so if you aren't careful you'll be forced to
hand in your OB card. You're clearly a nice guy, but I'm willing to swear
on your behalf, should the case come up, that you were and are an OB.

I did make a few friends at the time, some with whom I still
communicate.

I'll pretend you never wrote that, considering your OB credentials are at
stake. :-)

Thank you for your endorcement my OB status. Everyone needs all the
support they can get.

Jim - when I first came on this NG not long ago, there seemed to be very
little on here pertaining to pilotage, etc. A couple of posts I put on here
generated comments, although the last one degenerated into a spitting
contest with MX - i.e. right back to my (personal) objection to start with.
My original post on this thread was intended as a feeble attempt to maybe
generate a discussion. It was in no way intended to denigrate anyone or
their hobby.

When I said that everyone in the RC club probably had a yen to fly the real
thing, those folks obviously have an intense interest in aviation - which
was the reason I got involved in the first place. I guess my point was that
there is no acceptable - for me at least - substitute for the real thing.

Amazingly, when I look back on years of flying, there really isn't many
incidents in my personal experience
that would be of interest to other pilots. Sure, I had a lot of
white-knuckle experiences, as any pilot has. I can't recall any instance
where I felt that I was in mortal danger.

Can I get some help here? Let's talk PILOTAGE!

"birdog" wrote in message
...

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"birdog" wrote:
-----------------much snipped---------------

Did I say the whole group? Did I say all?

You wrote "I think they all wanted to be pilots," and while the context
is arguably ambiguous about who you meant to include in the "all" group,
it looked to me like you were dismissive of all.

But then I read your other post (which I didn't see till after I'd sent
mine) that indicated you had considerable respect for the skills needed
for their hobby.

Why are you being defensive?

I want to make sure no one disrepects me should I someday decide to wear
a kilt while flying an RC model of a DC-3 with Scottish Airline markings.
;-)

However, I only ever tried - and failed - to fly an RC model airplane
once about 40 years ago. I'm lucky to get an HO scale model train around
a closed track without derailing it. (It never helped our cause, while I
was a kid, that what few plastic model planes my brothers and I did get
and build that they'd eventually find a lit cherry bomb in or attached to
them as their last rites.)

I just thought your post, had it appeared in an RC group, was uncannily
like the kind of post that, ahem, "endeared" Mxsmanic to so many people
on this group. Well, it does require the right kind of personality types
on both sides for an unending ping-pong "discussion."

While I may be an obnoxious *******,

You have many peers in this newsgroup! :-) Still, no properly obnoxious
******* admits to being one, so if you aren't careful you'll be forced to
hand in your OB card. You're clearly a nice guy, but I'm willing to swear
on your behalf, should the case come up, that you were and are an OB.

I did make a few friends at the time, some with whom I still
communicate.

I'll pretend you never wrote that, considering your OB credentials are at
stake. :-)

Thank you for your endorcement my OB status. Everyone needs all the
support they can get.

Jim - when I first came on this NG not long ago, there seemed to be very
little on here pertaining to pilotage, etc. A couple of posts I put on
here generated comments, although the last one degenerated into a spitting
contest with MX - i.e. right back to my (personal) objection to start
with. My original post on this thread was intended as a feeble attempt to
maybe generate a discussion. It was in no way intended to denigrate anyone
or their hobby.

When I said that everyone in the RC club probably had a yen to fly the
real thing, those folks obviously have an intense interest in aviation -
which was the reason I got involved in the first place. I guess my point
was that there is no acceptable - for me at least - substitute for the
real thing.

Amazingly, when I look back on years of flying, there really isn't many
incidents in my personal experience
that would be of interest to other pilots. Sure, I had a lot of
white-knuckle experiences, as any pilot has. I can't recall any instance
where I felt that I was in mortal danger.

Can I get some help here? Let's talk PILOTAGE!

Not to pick excessively, but just enough to maintain my own OB status:
PILOTAGE normally refers to a method of visual navigation by means of
landmarks--frequently with additional reference to maps or charts and a
compass.

You might possibly have meant PILOTING.

Peter ;-)

"Peter Dohm" wrote in message
...

"birdog" wrote in message
...

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"birdog" wrote:
-----------------much snipped---------------

Did I say the whole group? Did I say all?

You wrote "I think they all wanted to be pilots," and while the context
is arguably ambiguous about who you meant to include in the "all" group,
it looked to me like you were dismissive of all.

But then I read your other post (which I didn't see till after I'd sent
mine) that indicated you had considerable respect for the skills needed
for their hobby.

Why are you being defensive?

I want to make sure no one disrepects me should I someday decide to wear
a kilt while flying an RC model of a DC-3 with Scottish Airline
markings.
;-)

However, I only ever tried - and failed - to fly an RC model airplane
once about 40 years ago. I'm lucky to get an HO scale model train around
a closed track without derailing it. (It never helped our cause, while I
was a kid, that what few plastic model planes my brothers and I did get
and build that they'd eventually find a lit cherry bomb in or attached
to
them as their last rites.)

I just thought your post, had it appeared in an RC group, was uncannily
like the kind of post that, ahem, "endeared" Mxsmanic to so many people
on this group. Well, it does require the right kind of personality types
on both sides for an unending ping-pong "discussion."

While I may be an obnoxious *******,

You have many peers in this newsgroup! :-) Still, no properly obnoxious
******* admits to being one, so if you aren't careful you'll be forced
to
hand in your OB card. You're clearly a nice guy, but I'm willing to
swear
on your behalf, should the case come up, that you were and are an OB.

I did make a few friends at the time, some with whom I still
communicate.

I'll pretend you never wrote that, considering your OB credentials are
at
stake. :-)

Thank you for your endorcement my OB status. Everyone needs all the
support they can get.

Jim - when I first came on this NG not long ago, there seemed to be very
little on here pertaining to pilotage, etc. A couple of posts I put on
here generated comments, although the last one degenerated into a
spitting contest with MX - i.e. right back to my (personal) objection to
start with. My original post on this thread was intended as a feeble
attempt to maybe generate a discussion. It was in no way intended to
denigrate anyone or their hobby.

When I said that everyone in the RC club probably had a yen to fly the
real thing, those folks obviously have an intense interest in aviation -
which was the reason I got involved in the first place. I guess my point
was that there is no acceptable - for me at least - substitute for the
real thing.

Amazingly, when I look back on years of flying, there really isn't many
incidents in my personal experience
that would be of interest to other pilots. Sure, I had a lot of
white-knuckle experiences, as any pilot has. I can't recall any instance
where I felt that I was in mortal danger.

Can I get some help here? Let's talk PILOTAGE!

Not to pick excessively, but just enough to maintain my own OB status:
PILOTAGE normally refers to a method of visual navigation by means of
landmarks--frequently with additional reference to maps or charts and a
compass.

You might possibly have meant PILOTING.

Peter ;-)

I stand corrected. However, I don't think anyone misunderstood what I was
getting at.

birdog writes:

I stand corrected. However, I don't think anyone misunderstood what I was
getting at.

Maybe someone should now spend the next 200 posts telling you how wrong and
unqualified you are.

In article ,
says...


Maybe someone should now spend the next 200 posts telling you how wrong and
unqualified you are.


There is no need for that. In response to a politely-phrased clarification he
stated _I stand corrected_.

There is one contributor here who instead would have insulted the one
offering the correction, accused him of commenting out of blind emotion and
ego, and claimed unyieldingly to be correct, no matter how many contributors
chimed in to support the one who was clearly correct. Somewhere along the
line, this contributor would turn his argument around, pretending it was the
other who had made the initial mistake, and lamenting that the whole world is
deriding him, only demonstrating their wholesale incompetence. He would then
resort to a _prove it, correct it_ diatribe, claiming to be _always right_
rejecting all responses, including those which clearly traced the initial
error and reasonable correction.

On May 25, 12:41*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
birdog writes:
I stand corrected. However, I don't think anyone misunderstood what I was
getting at.

Maybe someone should now spend the next 200 posts telling you how wrong and
unqualified you are.

No need....

A. FACT He admitted the errs of his ways

B. UNLIKE YOU, birdog talks real world experience. Much more
qualified then you in this group.

Do you remember? You are posting in a real world flying newsgroup.
Do you remember? You have no PIC time by FAA standards
Do you remember? You are not CGI.
Do you remember? You pretend you are something you are not.

Therefore in light of the above FACTS, you have NO qualifications to
comment on real world flying.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
birdog writes:

I stand corrected. However, I don't think anyone misunderstood what I was
getting at.

Maybe someone should now spend the next 200 posts telling you how wrong
and
unqualified you are.

You, sir, are an oxygen theif and an exhaler of greenhouse gas!

Peter Dohm wrote:
....
You, sir, are an oxygen thief and an exhaler of greenhouse gas!



How unkind! How cruel! You are no gentleman....

:-)

Brian W

On Thu, 27 May 2010 06:30:36 -0500, brian whatcott
wrote:

Peter Dohm wrote:
...
You, sir, are an oxygen thief and an exhaler of greenhouse gas!



How unkind! How cruel! You are no gentleman....

:-)

Brian W

However... he is accurate. ;-)

Ron