Barographs?

On May 24, 3:45*pm, "noel.wade" wrote:
On May 24, 1:39*pm, Tony wrote:

club who are barograph free not to mention the club itself only has 1
barograph but 3 gliders. *I just like the idea of having a few
barographs around in case one of my students or friends are going
flying on a day where a badge leg or state record could be claimed.

Bah, save yourself a ton of trouble. *Buy a self-contained unit like
the ewMicroRecorder. *Its perfect for a club setting, has an internal
battery, a simple on-off switch (and no other complications), and
requires just a standard USB cable (or SD card reader) to download
your flight. *If you want to get "fancy" you can hook it up to a PDA
for a moving-map navigation system; but if you just want to log
flights you only need what comes in the box!

Take care,

--Noel

i just saw one used on W&W. Based on what I paid for my last Replogle
we could have 8 barographs ready to go in club ships, privately owned
single seaters, whatever, for the price of one EW.

On May 24, 1:52*pm, Tony wrote:

i just saw one used on W&W. *Based on what I paid for my last Replogle
we could have 8 barographs ready to go in club ships, privately owned
single seaters, whatever, for the price of one EW.

Yes, but you're not taking into account the maintenance hassles and
failure rates of the barograph; not to mention the fact that it cannot
be used for all badges (see Kirk's comments).

Don't focus on acquisition cost - focus on the "cost of ownership"
over the long run; not just in dollars but in man-hours and stress,
too. Having been through the Silver Badge rigmarole, in my opinion
NOTHING is more discouraging to a budding XC pilot than to go have a
good flight and then be told it won't be accepted because of a
technicality or instrumentation flaw. Be realistic about how many
people are going on badge flights, and how often they will be doing
so. Chances are that any modest-sized club doesn't really need more
than 1 or 2 logger devices. You're much better off getting a
reliable, simple, self-contained unit that is good for every type of
badge and contest.

If the newer club pilots really get into doing these kinds of flights,
they can go out and get their own logger so that they can post their
flights to the OLC and fly badges and contests whenever they want...
its still a lot cheaper to buy a logger than it is to buy your own
glider!

If you give them old equipment that causes them frustration or lost
flights, they'll give up on both the equipment AND on the flying.

My $0.02,

--Noel

P.S. I don't know what the price was on W&W, but I'm selling my spare
ewMicroRecorder for $425... They're not expensive when you consider
that's less than 10 aerotows or 2 annual inspections almost anywhere
in the USA!

On May 24, 4:22*pm, "noel.wade" wrote:
On May 24, 1:52*pm, Tony wrote:



i just saw one used on W&W. *Based on what I paid for my last Replogle
we could have 8 barographs ready to go in club ships, privately owned
single seaters, whatever, for the price of one EW.

Yes, but you're not taking into account the maintenance hassles and
failure rates of the barograph; not to mention the fact that it cannot
be used for all badges (see Kirk's comments).

Don't focus on acquisition cost - focus on the "cost of ownership"
over the long run; not just in dollars but in man-hours and stress,
too. *Having been through the Silver Badge rigmarole, in my opinion
NOTHING is more discouraging to a budding XC pilot than to go have a
good flight and then be told it won't be accepted because of a
technicality or instrumentation flaw. *Be realistic about how many
people are going on badge flights, and how often they will be doing
so. *Chances are that any modest-sized club doesn't really need more
than 1 or 2 logger devices. *You're much better off getting a
reliable, simple, self-contained unit that is good for every type of
badge and contest.

If the newer club pilots really get into doing these kinds of flights,
they can go out and get their own logger so that they can post their
flights to the OLC and fly badges and contests whenever they want...
its still a lot cheaper to buy a logger than it is to buy your own
glider!

If you give them old equipment that causes them frustration or lost
flights, they'll give up on both the equipment AND on the flying.

My $0.02,

--Noel

oh i know all about barograph failures. I had about 3 or 4 before my
Silver Badge 'stuck'

My first Silver distance and altitude claim as an OO just got approved
yesterday for a club member who was borrowing my barograph. It worked
flawlessly.

In a lot of ways its 6 one way and half dozen another. Another club
member has had 2 diamond altitude flights that he didnt submit because
thanks to the GPS they would've been rejected. Both flights would've
been fine if a Barograph had been used.

On May 24, 1:52*pm, Tony wrote:
On May 24, 3:45*pm, "noel.wade" wrote:





On May 24, 1:39*pm, Tony wrote:

club who are barograph free not to mention the club itself only has 1
barograph but 3 gliders. *I just like the idea of having a few
barographs around in case one of my students or friends are going
flying on a day where a badge leg or state record could be claimed.

Bah, save yourself a ton of trouble. *Buy a self-contained unit like
the ewMicroRecorder. *Its perfect for a club setting, has an internal
battery, a simple on-off switch (and no other complications), and
requires just a standard USB cable (or SD card reader) to download
your flight. *If you want to get "fancy" you can hook it up to a PDA
for a moving-map navigation system; but if you just want to log
flights you only need what comes in the box!

Take care,

--Noel

i just saw one used on W&W. *Based on what I paid for my last Replogle
we could have 8 barographs ready to go in club ships, privately owned
single seaters, whatever, for the price of one EW.- Hide quoted text -

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I'll donate my 35mm cameras if you really want to load up with useless
stuff. May even still have an Instamatic but no film available for
those any more. Also have 2 prayer wheels. The 1-26 one should be
about right for the Cherokee.

Andy

On May 24, 4:26*pm, Andy wrote:
On May 24, 1:52*pm, Tony wrote:





On May 24, 3:45*pm, "noel.wade" wrote:

On May 24, 1:39*pm, Tony wrote:

club who are barograph free not to mention the club itself only has 1
barograph but 3 gliders. *I just like the idea of having a few
barographs around in case one of my students or friends are going
flying on a day where a badge leg or state record could be claimed.

Bah, save yourself a ton of trouble. *Buy a self-contained unit like
the ewMicroRecorder. *Its perfect for a club setting, has an internal
battery, a simple on-off switch (and no other complications), and
requires just a standard USB cable (or SD card reader) to download
your flight. *If you want to get "fancy" you can hook it up to a PDA
for a moving-map navigation system; but if you just want to log
flights you only need what comes in the box!

Take care,

--Noel

i just saw one used on W&W. *Based on what I paid for my last Replogle
we could have 8 barographs ready to go in club ships, privately owned
single seaters, whatever, for the price of one EW.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'll donate my 35mm cameras if you really want to load up with useless
stuff. May even still have an Instamatic but no film available for
those any more. *Also have 2 prayer wheels. *The 1-26 one should be
about right for the Cherokee.

Andy- Hide quoted text -

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Andy -

Turnpoint photos are no longer part of the Sporting Code. Makes life
simpler but forces you to use a flight recorder for Diamond Goal which
is a bummer.

On May 24, 2:33*pm, Tony wrote:

Turnpoint photos are no longer part of the Sporting Code. *

Hence the offer of *useless* equipment.

On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:52:04 -0700, Tony wrote:

On May 24, 3:45Â*pm, "noel.wade" wrote:
On May 24, 1:39Â*pm, Tony wrote:

club who are barograph free not to mention the club itself only has 1
barograph but 3 gliders. Â*I just like the idea of having a few
barographs around in case one of my students or friends are going
flying on a day where a badge leg or state record could be claimed.

Bah, save yourself a ton of trouble. Â*Buy a self-contained unit like
the ewMicroRecorder. Â*Its perfect for a club setting, has an internal
battery, a simple on-off switch (and no other complications), and
requires just a standard USB cable (or SD card reader) to download your
flight. Â*If you want to get "fancy" you can hook it up to a PDA for a
moving-map navigation system; but if you just want to log flights you
only need what comes in the box!

Take care,

--Noel

i just saw one used on W&W. Based on what I paid for my last Replogle
we could have 8 barographs ready to go in club ships, privately owned
single seaters, whatever, for the price of one EW.

Keep your eyes open for a used EW model D and a Garmin 12XL[1] or GPS II+
to drive it. The combo should be rather cheaper. The model D is rugged
and simple to use (only one button) and runs off 12v or its one internal
9v battery.

[1] if you go for a Garmin 12, make sure its the 12XL, which takes 6-40v
input just like the GPS II+ and III+ do. The earlier 12 requires 6v and
is destroyed if you connect it to 12v. How I know: a club mate found this
out the hard way.


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