First Modern Air-Air refueling

"Dan" wrote in message
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Keith Willshaw wrote:


"guy" wrote in message
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On 3 June, 22:01, Peter Twydell wrote:


Did they not develop a system to refuel Tiger Force Lancasters/
Lincolns for the assault on Japan?

Guy

Yes. In January 1944 three different designs had been prepared, the
third of which was adopted. In this the hose-drum and equipment was
placed towards the front of the aircraft and the fuel supply consisted of
two 640 imperial gallon (2,880 litres) tanks in the bomb bay.

50 sets of equipment were ordered for development and training. It was
then intended to convert a total of 500 tanker and receiver aircraft to
mount the long-range operations.

Trials for the Tiger Force operation were carried out with the prototype
Lancaster tanker PB.972 and receiver ND.648, using the looped hose
system. It was found that refuelling could be carried out at an indicated
airspeed of 160 mph at any reasonable altitude, over or in cloud and at
night, there being no difficulty in illuminating the receiver's hauling
cable.

Then the Americans went and dropped a couple of really big bombs.

Keith

Come on, Keith, those bombs weren't all that big.

The bang they made was

Keith

Keith Willshaw wrote:


"Dan" wrote in message
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Keith Willshaw wrote:


"guy" wrote in message
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On 3 June, 22:01, Peter Twydell wrote:


Did they not develop a system to refuel Tiger Force Lancasters/
Lincolns for the assault on Japan?

Guy

Yes. In January 1944 three different designs had been prepared, the
third of which was adopted. In this the hose-drum and equipment was
placed towards the front of the aircraft and the fuel supply
consisted of two 640 imperial gallon (2,880 litres) tanks in the bomb
bay.

50 sets of equipment were ordered for development and training. It
was then intended to convert a total of 500 tanker and receiver
aircraft to mount the long-range operations.

Trials for the Tiger Force operation were carried out with the
prototype Lancaster tanker PB.972 and receiver ND.648, using the
looped hose system. It was found that refuelling could be carried out
at an indicated airspeed of 160 mph at any reasonable altitude, over
or in cloud and at night, there being no difficulty in illuminating
the receiver's hauling cable.

Then the Americans went and dropped a couple of really big bombs.

Keith

Come on, Keith, those bombs weren't all that big.

The bang they made was

Keith

There you go using technical terms again.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan wrote:
Keith Willshaw wrote:


"Dan" wrote in message
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Keith Willshaw wrote:


"guy" wrote in message
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On 3 June, 22:01, Peter Twydell wrote:


Did they not develop a system to refuel Tiger Force Lancasters/
Lincolns for the assault on Japan?

Guy

Yes. In January 1944 three different designs had been prepared, the
third of which was adopted. In this the hose-drum and equipment was
placed towards the front of the aircraft and the fuel supply
consisted of two 640 imperial gallon (2,880 litres) tanks in the
bomb bay.

50 sets of equipment were ordered for development and training. It
was then intended to convert a total of 500 tanker and receiver
aircraft to mount the long-range operations.

Trials for the Tiger Force operation were carried out with the
prototype Lancaster tanker PB.972 and receiver ND.648, using the
looped hose system. It was found that refuelling could be carried
out at an indicated airspeed of 160 mph at any reasonable altitude,
over or in cloud and at night, there being no difficulty in
illuminating the receiver's hauling cable.

Then the Americans went and dropped a couple of really big bombs.

Keith

Come on, Keith, those bombs weren't all that big.

The bang they made was

Keith

There you go using technical terms again.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were less destructive than the Tokyo raids, a
point often glossed over by modern anti-nukes.

Note also that the destruction was so graphic because Japanese
contruction anticipated earthquakes. Houses were lightly built and
would be flattenend by the blast wave. The concrete and steel structure
at Ground Zero in Hiroshima survives, damaged but not destroyed,
vapourised, or the victim of some other fantastic fate.


The first "modern" refuelling system would be Flight Refuelling's probe
and drogue system, deployed in the late '40's but demonstrated before
the war.

On Jun 4, 2:22*pm, Alan Dicey
wrote:

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were less destructive than the Tokyo raids, a
point often glossed over by modern anti-nukes.

Overall less destructive but you have to admit, the big-assed bang
they made worked a lot faster than the firebombing.

On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:34:24 -0700 (PDT), Typhoon502
wrote:

On Jun 4, 2:22*pm, Alan Dicey
wrote:

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were less destructive than the Tokyo raids, a
point often glossed over by modern anti-nukes.

Overall less destructive but you have to admit, the big-assed bang
they made worked a lot faster than the firebombing.

Auyp. And that's another point glaringly missed by the anti-nuke
crowd.