What if the germans...

From: (Denyav)
Date: 1/23/2004 10:29 PM Central Standard Time
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This is getting better and better. OK, the pigs had the atom bomb in late
1944
and had tested one either as an underground shot or surface shot and the
other
was an air burst and no one seems to have noticed. No known radiation deaths
or
illnesses down range? Neither

Contrary to your assertions there are hundreds of deaths and also
witnesses,but
their testimonies which include even almost whole population of a small town
Bitburg were not found credible,because all witnesses were either Germans or
forced laborers.

Next time I go to Bitburg I will take a geiger counter to see if your
implication of a nuke test there is valid.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Next time I go to Bitburg I will take a geiger counter to see if your
implication of a nuke test there is valid.


But please visit Bikini with your counter first!.

From: (Denyav)
Date: 1/24/2004 1:49 AM Central Standard Time
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Next time I go to Bitburg I will take a geiger counter to see if your
implication of a nuke test there is valid.


But please visit Bikini with your counter first!.

The difference is there really were nuclear devices lit off in Bikini and there
is more than ample evidence of it.

You implied an atomic bomb was tested in Bitburg. That is why I made the geiger
counter comment.

So, exactly where were those two tests? Based on verifiable evidence if the
bombs were tested they failed which shoots down your entire claim about the
U.S. needing Nazi research to complete their bombs.

You said one of the tests was an air burst. There is no way on God's Earth you
could get everyone who saw, heard or had knowledge of such an event to remain
silent on the matter.

I ask again, where were the two tests? What were the results?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

The difference is there really were nuclear devices lit off in Bikini and
there
is more than ample evidence of it.

You implied an atomic bomb was tested in Bitburg. That is why I made the
geiger
counter comment.


But you should not expect to measure much higher radiation levels than Bikini
in Jonastal.
There is a big fundamental difference between Bikini and Jonastal namely US did
everything possible so that every soul on this planet could learn what was
going on in Bikini whereas the same US did everything (and still doing)
possible to make sure that no one on the planet could learn what really
happened in Jonastal.
So, exactly where were those two tests? Based on verifiable evidence if the
bombs were tested they failed which shoots down your entire claim about the
U.S. needing Nazi research to complete their bombs.

According to hundreds of eyewitness accounts which includes crew of a USAAF
plane,Jonastal bomb exploded.
Eyewitness accounts are consistent with 15-20t yield nuclear explosion.
Also deaths occurred in this region later are also consistent with high levels
of radiation associated with low yield nuclear explosions.
If you discredit hundreds of eyewitnesses just because they were Germans or
forced laborers ,if you attempt to discredit US aircrew by saying they were
hallucinating of course you can not find anybody to verify.
I am pretty sure even if FDR had seen the test with his own eyes,Grooves would
find something to discredit him.

You said one of the tests was an air burst. There is no way on God's Earth
you
could get everyone who saw, heard or had knowledge of such an event to remain
silent on the matter.

This event has been eyewitnessed by the population of three small towns in the
area and hundreds of forced laborers (many of them died days after) and their
testimonies as well as the testimony of US pilot have been documented well
documented,in various books on this subject.

But apparently everybody,US,Germans,Soviets and everbody else wanted to forget
this issue till late 80s,in other words till collapse of Soviet Union.
This issue reappered with a high profile documentary of German TV channel ZDF
in 1992.
ZDF documentary was the product of almost ten years research conducted on three
continents and was a very expensive production.
But most importantly this ZDF production was financed by US private entities
acting as proxies of US gov't.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
The difference is there really were nuclear devices lit off in Bikini and
there
is more than ample evidence of it.

You implied an atomic bomb was tested in Bitburg. That is why I made the
geiger
counter comment.


But you should not expect to measure much higher radiation levels than
Bikini
in Jonastal.

And Bikini Atoll is still too contaminated for continuous habitation,
shorts visits are possible but raising crops and living there permanently
is still impossible

DOH

Keith