Diamond goal flight rejected due to typo

On Jun 10, 7:32*am, Tony wrote:
On Jun 10, 9:08*am, Scott Alexander
wrote:





I received an email stating that my diamond goal flight has been
rejected due to a typo on my igc declaration. *Despite the fact that
the security was good, all turnpoints rounded ok, and everything else
good, it's still rejected.

On the IGC declaration where it says "registered ID" *I typed in "SA"
because that is my paid-for registered contest ID. *Apparently I
should have typed in "N-2429". *So because of this, the flight doesn't
count.

I was also informed that on page 53 of the March 2010 Soaring
magazine, it says (in 8 point font) that you can no longer use your
register contest ID. *This really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to
me. *The glider type is in question, not the security, date or name
even though it's not a handicapped claim! *I only own one aircraft,
which can be easily verified through the FAA aircraft registry.

So now I am merely trying to figure out the best way to solve this
claim.

Does anyone have any suggestions of who I might contact to help get
this claim to pass? *I would really like to say I did a diamond flight
but unfortunately because of this new rule, I can't say I did a
diamond flight.

oh - and you DID do a Diamond Flight!! *There is a difference between
a badge flight and a badge performance. *the performance part means
you managed to successfully jump through all of the paperwork hoops.- Hide quoted text -

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Congrats on the flight Scott, regardless of the typo!
This subject came up a while back (3-4 months ago??) Your post
prompted me to look at one of my .igc files. I see that I have:
HFGIDGLIDERID:16UF
I don't recall how many characters are allowed, but I'm going to try
making it:
HFGIDGLIDERID:N16UF
just to be safe!
Again, awesome flight!
Jim

I've talked to the chairman, who by the way was very nice and
helpful. What I'm looking for more specifically is perhaps someone
that has dealt with this recently and has success dealing with the FAI
leaders. This was my 5th try at Diamond Goal in the past 12 months.
The other 4 were landouts.

I want this time to count. Glad you got it approved Evan....anyone
else have any suggestions?

Użytkownik Scott Alexander napisał:

I want this time to count. Glad you got it approved Evan....anyone
else have any suggestions?
SC3 (valid 2009 AL0 edition), para 4.2.1.c (declaration content):
- glider type, and its registration _or_ serial number _or_ unique
NAC-assigned contest number.

Are SSA contest IDs unique?


Also, SC3 Annex C, para 1.2:
"OOs and National Claim Officers are encouraged to take the position
that, ensuring the rules are met, their goal is to make awards, not turn
them down for minor errors or oversights that do not affect the proof of
a soaring performance."

An OO's special statement about the glider flown should be enough to
solve the case IMHO.

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On Jun 10, 10:02Â*am, Wojciech Scigala wrote:
Użytkownik Scott Alexander napisał:

I want this time to count. Â*Glad you got it approved Evan....anyone
else have any suggestions?

SC3 (valid 2009 AL0 edition), para 4.2.1.c (declaration content):
- glider type, and its registration _or_ serial number _or_ unique
NAC-assigned contest number.

Are SSA contest IDs unique?

Also, SC3 Annex C, para 1.2:
"OOs and National Claim Officers are encouraged to take the position
that, ensuring the rules are met, their goal is to make awards, not turn
them down for minor errors or oversights that do not affect the proof of
a soaring performance."

An OO's special statement about the glider flown should be enough to
solve the case IMHO.

--
WojtuÅ›.net

SSA contest numbers are unique but they are assigned to a person not a
sailplane. Maybe that is the rub.

SSA contest numbers are unique but they are assigned to a person not a
sailplane. Maybe that is the rub.- Hide quoted text -

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Yes I own the rights to SA my contest ID. But suppose my friend let
me use his Discus to do the flight, it wouldn't have made a flip of
difference of the validity of the flight. Again, the only problem
here is that I typed in SA vs. N-2429. So therefor it makes the whole
entire claim Invalid.

I appreciate the fact that we have dedicated people in this sport who
are going provide checks and balances to badges and record claims. I
really do appreciate them. It would take the fun out of soaring if
somebody set a record using an engine. But this is overkill.

I got a few emails today on an appeal process. Hopefully this will
get overturned. Diamonds don't grow on trees down here in
Memphis....doing the flight again in a club class glider would call
for some more good luck.

On Jun 10, 4:43*pm, Scott Alexander
wrote:
SSA contest numbers are unique but they are assigned to a person not a
sailplane. Maybe that is the rub.- Hide quoted text -

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Yes I own the rights to SA my contest ID. *But suppose my friend let
me use his Discus to do the flight, it wouldn't have made a flip of
difference of the validity of the flight. *Again, the only problem
here is that I typed in SA vs. N-2429. *So therefor it makes the whole
entire claim Invalid.

I appreciate the fact that we have dedicated people in this sport who
are going provide checks and balances to badges and record claims. *I
really do appreciate them. *It would take the fun out of soaring if
somebody set a record using an engine. *But this is overkill.

I got a few emails today on an appeal process. *Hopefully this will
get overturned. *Diamonds don't grow on trees down here in
Memphis....doing the flight again in a club class glider would call
for some more good luck.

I feel your pain Scott. I lost a 500K flight last year, due to a
faulty way point file in my logger, that did not show up on the PDA
while flying.

On Jun 10, 6:43*pm, Scott Alexander
wrote:
SSA contest numbers are unique but they are assigned to a person not a
sailplane. Maybe that is the rub.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes I own the rights to SA my contest ID. *But suppose my friend let
me use his Discus to do the flight, it wouldn't have made a flip of
difference of the validity of the flight. *Again, the only problem
here is that I typed in SA vs. N-2429. *So therefor it makes the whole
entire claim Invalid.

I appreciate the fact that we have dedicated people in this sport who
are going provide checks and balances to badges and record claims. *I
really do appreciate them. *It would take the fun out of soaring if
somebody set a record using an engine. *But this is overkill.

I got a few emails today on an appeal process. *Hopefully this will
get overturned. *Diamonds don't grow on trees down here in
Memphis....doing the flight again in a club class glider would call
for some more good luck.

I too lost a 500K flight recently due to the same sort of nonsense. I
have been at many SSA sessions where everyone at the table wrings
their hands and says "we aren't getting new people into the sport" and
"our membership is decreasing - what can we do to bring in new
members?". Meanwhile, back at SSA headquarters, badge and record
flights are being rejected right and left for no good reason, thereby
alienating the members we do have. I personally no longer give a
rat's ass about badge and record flights because you have to take two
lawyers and an accountant along with you on the flight, and I only
have a single-place glider.


TA

I personally no longer give a
rat's ass about badge and record flights because you have to take two
lawyers and an accountant along with you on the flight, and I only
have a single-place glider.

TA-

Frank! That is hilarious! Thanks for the laugh!

On Jun 10, 6:28*pm, Frank wrote:
On Jun 10, 6:43*pm, Scott Alexander
wrote:



SSA contest numbers are unique but they are assigned to a person not a
sailplane. Maybe that is the rub.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes I own the rights to SA my contest ID. *But suppose my friend let
me use his Discus to do the flight, it wouldn't have made a flip of
difference of the validity of the flight. *Again, the only problem
here is that I typed in SA vs. N-2429. *So therefor it makes the whole
entire claim Invalid.

I appreciate the fact that we have dedicated people in this sport who
are going provide checks and balances to badges and record claims. *I
really do appreciate them. *It would take the fun out of soaring if
somebody set a record using an engine. *But this is overkill.

I got a few emails today on an appeal process. *Hopefully this will
get overturned. *Diamonds don't grow on trees down here in
Memphis....doing the flight again in a club class glider would call
for some more good luck.

I too lost a 500K flight recently due to the same sort of nonsense. *I
have been at many SSA sessions where everyone at the table wrings
their hands and says "we aren't getting new people into the sport" and
"our membership is decreasing - what can we do to bring in new
members?". *Meanwhile, back at SSA headquarters, badge and record
flights are being rejected right and left for no good reason, thereby
alienating the members we do have. *I personally no longer give a
rat's ass about badge and record flights because you have to take two
lawyers and an accountant along with you on the flight, and I only
have a single-place glider.

TA

Frank,

I don't think it is the SSA. It is the IGC. The SSA is following the
IGC rules as clarified in painful detail to them by the IGC. If the
SSA decides to just ignore the IGC rules then I could see the final
outcome would be to lose FAI record and badge setting authority. I
agree it's worth identifying the jackass responsible for this, but I
don't think it is the SSA.

Darryl

On Jun 10, 9:02Â*am, Wojciech Scigala wrote:
Użytkownik Scott Alexander napisał:

I want this time to count. Â*Glad you got it approved Evan....anyone
else have any suggestions?

SC3 (valid 2009 AL0 edition), para 4.2.1.c (declaration content):
- glider type, and its registration _or_ serial number _or_ unique
NAC-assigned contest number.

Are SSA contest IDs unique?

Also, SC3 Annex C, para 1.2:
"OOs and National Claim Officers are encouraged to take the position
that, ensuring the rules are met, their goal is to make awards, not turn
them down for minor errors or oversights that do not affect the proof of
a soaring performance."

An OO's special statement about the glider flown should be enough to
solve the case IMHO.

--
WojtuÅ›.net

SSA issued Contest IDs are issued to a pilot and not the glider, and
they are therefore definitely *not* unique to a glider (I owned two
gliders at once both "6DX", but different N-numbers) and AFAIK this
has been the root issue with the IGC and using SSA issues contest IDs
in the IGC file GLIDERID header field.

But yes since the future of mankind does not depend on this, a
statement from the OO that the pilot flew the damn glider should be
enough, especially for a badge flight.

Darryl

Darryl