Diamond goal flight rejected due to typo

On Jun 11, 3:13*pm, Andy wrote:
On Jun 11, 7:13*am, Frank Whiteley wrote:

http://www.ssa.org/myhome.asp?mbr=67...w=blog&id=2001

I doubt there is a case for an appeal.

I can't agree with you. *There appears to be nothing in the kit itself
that says a constest number is not allowed to be used. *A discussion
or posting on RAS does not make a rule. *A note on the SSA website
does not make a rule. *A notice in the Soaring magazine does not make
a rule. *The rules are included in the kit and specifically in the SC
summary:

Declaration content
a. Date of flight.
b. Name of the pilot-in-command, and the flight crew if any (see Annex
C, para 6.3c).
c. Glider type, and its registration or serial number or unique NAC-
assigned contest number.
d. The make, model and serial number of the FR used (as recorded in
the .igc file for the flight). For any barograph or GPS position
recorder used, the make, model and serial
number as verified by the OO before flight.

If something else is to be enforced then the kit itself must be
changed. Perhaps the kit should include the statement "All observers
and badge applicants shall read all past issues of Soaring Magazine
and shall browse all postings on RAS or the SAA website since anything
published there shall take precedence over the rules published in this
kit".

Andy

Ah this has already been well covered in this thread, but here goes
again.

A careful reading of SC3 and SC3c shows this is spelt out.

SC3 4.2.1 "Declaration content
a. blah blah...
....
c. Glider type, and its registration or serial number or unique
NAC-assigned contest number.
d. blah blah..."

Here I read this as clearly intended to mean "unique"to the glider not
pilot since it is in the context of Glider type and its' registration.

But what I think does not matter, as any doubt is removed in SC3 Annex
C 6.3c that clarifies this rule... "[blah blah blah....] Not all NACs
issue competition numbers or require them to be unique to a glider –
the glider registration or its serial number must then be used."

So the sporting code is pretty clear that the intent is you need to
use the a unique glider ID, the SSA Contest ID does not appear to
qualify. And I as posted previously by Eric Mann this has been
apparently been hashed over between the IGC and SSA. So lets make
progress and agree that this is the current rule. Next question is
does this has an unreasonable impact on badges and records, and the
promotion of soaring, in the USA and a solution needs to be found?
(count me as a "yes" on that).


Darryl

On Jun 11, 3:49*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:

But what I think does not matter, as any doubt is removed in SC3 Annex
C 6.3c that clarifies this rule... "[blah blah blah....] Not all NACs
issue competition numbers or require them to be unique to a glider –
the glider registration or its serial number must then be used."

Is that rule included in the SSA kit?

Is that interpretation of the validity of SSA issued contest numbers
included in the SSA kit?

If not, and I can't find either, then I stand by what I posted.


Andy

On Jun 11, 4:09*pm, Andy wrote:
On Jun 11, 3:49*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:

But what I think does not matter, as any doubt is removed in SC3 Annex
C 6.3c that clarifies this rule... "[blah blah blah....] Not all NACs
issue competition numbers or require them to be unique to a glider –
the glider registration or its serial number must then be used."

Is that rule included in the SSA kit?

Is that interpretation of the validity of SSA issued contest numbers
included in the SSA kit?

If not, and I can't find either, then I stand by what I posted.

Andy

SSA Kit? I have no idea what the "SSA Kit" is. Ah tell me you are not
reading the SSA provided sporting code summary and thinking this is
the only thing you need to read? right? And you are not thinking this
is the definite document on the badge rules for the SSA? If people
have this impression then the SSA summary ought to be removed from the
SSA web site or fixed - for a start it seems to not mention the USA/
SSA hot issue that is the topic of this thread. There are many guide
documents and simple versions of badge/records forms that seem to do
more harm than good in this area. It is better to send people to the
actual documents.).

The SSA Badge Web site does link to the set of SC3 documents including
SC3 and Annex C. Its the first link at the top of the badge documents
page. But regardless of anything else you read the formal FAI badge
rules are defined by the FAI sporting code SC3 and additional
clarification in SC3c, whether that is in any "SSA Kit" is irrelevant--
the SSA does not get to change the actual sporting code. Besides being
written in SC3 in what I believe is clear English, I've pointed out
the very straightforward clarification in SC3 Annex C and last year
both the chair of the badge and records committee and Judy worked to
point out this issue, including on r.a.s. I understand that this may
be missed on the first readings, and (as I do) you may not agree with
it, but it is there plain as day.

The more useful issue to worry about is the rule is a poor one and
should be fixed/mitigated/worked around/ignored by the NAC/etc.

Darryl