Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane

On 22/06/10 15:06, Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a great
deal more about driving than someone who has played driving games on a
personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

But that is also an incorrect statement.

Nope.

It's true.

If only real flying experience were important, then nobody would ever use
simulators.

But that's NOT what I said you stupid child.

That you deliberately misrepresent me says more about about you than
about anything else.

In fact, if someone wants to fly a 747, he is better off flying a
simulator of a 747 than he is flying a Cessna 152. While the simulation isn't
the same as flying a 747 for real, it's a lot closer than the real-world
experience of a Cessna 172 would be.

They won't give anyone a license to fly a plane unless they've actually
flown a plane.

The training to fly a plane starts with the little ones and works up.

Everyone starts with something small with a fan on the front and works
up, even the fast jet jockeys in the military.

Nobody does it your way because they'd end up with an altimeter that
reads less than zero for a very short period of time...


--
William Black

These are the gilded popinjays and murderous assassins of Perfidious
Albion and they are about their Queen's business. Any man who impedes
their passage does so at his own peril.

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:06:38 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

William Black writes:

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a great
deal more about driving than someone who has played driving games on a
personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

But that is also an incorrect statement.

If only real flying experience were important, then nobody would ever use
simulators. In fact, if someone wants to fly a 747, he is better off flying a
simulator of a 747 than he is flying a Cessna 152.

While the simulation isn't
the same as flying a 747 for real, it's a lot closer than the real-world
experience of a Cessna 172 would be.

But you're still required to actually fly a plane to get
certified.

Tell us: does the simulator simulate a stall?

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen writes:

But you're still required to actually fly a plane to get
certified.

That is a regulatory rather than a practical restriction. And you only need a
very small number of hours of flight in a real aircraft.

In the future, I suspect that pilots will be trained without any time in a
real aircraft, mainly to save money.

Tell us: does the simulator simulate a stall?

Yes.

On Jun 23, 5:21*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

In the future, I suspect that pilots will be trained without any time in a
real aircraft, mainly to save money.

Just when you think he couldn't get any sillier he does.

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes:

But you're still required to actually fly a plane to get
certified.

That is a regulatory rather than a practical restriction. And you only need a
very small number of hours of flight in a real aircraft.

In the future, I suspect that pilots will be trained without any time in a
real aircraft, mainly to save money.

Delusional.

Tell us: does the simulator simulate a stall?

Yes.

Sure it does, including the feeling of falling when the stall breaks and
the increased G load as you pull out.


--
Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote:


Tell us: does the simulator simulate a stall?

Yes.

No. The little airplane you see on the screen may stall, but
you have absolutely no insight at all into what a stall *feels*
like.

Bob M.

Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a
great deal more about driving than someone who has played driving
games on a personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

But that is also an incorrect statement.

If only real flying experience were important, then nobody would ever
use simulators. In fact, if someone wants to fly a 747, he is better
off flying a simulator of a 747 than he is flying a Cessna 152. While
the simulation isn't the same as flying a 747 for real, it's a lot
closer than the real-world experience of a Cessna 172 would be.

But the simulator experience you're talking about is absolutely
meaningless without real-world flight experience. For that matter,
the "simulator" in your case really isn't one. It's a computer game,
something which is VERY far removed from what the airlines call
a simulator. It is, in fact, absolutely nothing like a real simulator, and
essentially useless for meaningful flight training.

Bob M.

Bob Myers wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a
great deal more about driving than someone who has played driving
games on a personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

But that is also an incorrect statement.

If only real flying experience were important, then nobody would ever
use simulators. In fact, if someone wants to fly a 747, he is better
off flying a simulator of a 747 than he is flying a Cessna 152. While
the simulation isn't the same as flying a 747 for real, it's a lot
closer than the real-world experience of a Cessna 172 would be.

But the simulator experience you're talking about is absolutely
meaningless without real-world flight experience. For that matter,
the "simulator" in your case really isn't one. It's a computer game,
something which is VERY far removed from what the airlines call
a simulator. It is, in fact, absolutely nothing like a real simulator, and
essentially useless for meaningful flight training.

Bob M.

The army uses...simulators. They fight wars with it...you don't even
have to go outside...

On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:14:36 -0700, The Starmaker
wrote:

Bob Myers wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a
great deal more about driving than someone who has played driving
games on a personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

But that is also an incorrect statement.

If only real flying experience were important, then nobody would ever
use simulators. In fact, if someone wants to fly a 747, he is better
off flying a simulator of a 747 than he is flying a Cessna 152. While
the simulation isn't the same as flying a 747 for real, it's a lot
closer than the real-world experience of a Cessna 172 would be.

But the simulator experience you're talking about is absolutely
meaningless without real-world flight experience. For that matter,
the "simulator" in your case really isn't one. It's a computer game,
something which is VERY far removed from what the airlines call
a simulator. It is, in fact, absolutely nothing like a real simulator, and
essentially useless for meaningful flight training.

The army uses...simulators. They fight wars with it...you don't even
have to go outside...

And this has to do with flying an airplane how?

Do you suppose your typical lieutenant taking simulator training
will be allowed to become a tank commander without actually ever
having been in a tank?

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Bob Myers writes:

But the simulator experience you're talking about is absolutely
meaningless without real-world flight experience.

I don't share that opinion, nor is it widely held.

In fact, it's possible to pursue simulation as an end in itself. It does have
certain advantages that real flight does not.

For that matter, the "simulator" in your case really isn't one.
It's a computer game, something which is VERY far removed from
what the airlines call a simulator.

Clearly, it's been a long time since you last used a desktop simulator.

It is, in fact, absolutely nothing like a real simulator, and
essentially useless for meaningful flight training.

The U.S. military disagrees with you, and has for the past decade (that is,
through several versions of MSFS). So do many pilots, flight schools, and
instructors.

In general, it can be said that anyone who absolutely dismisses or worships
flight simulation is misguided or has some sort of ax to grind.