Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane

On 26/06/10 01:47, Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes:

Do you suppose your typical lieutenant taking simulator training
will be allowed to become a tank commander without actually ever
having been in a tank?

It's certainly conceivable, but I don't know if it is actually done.

Do you know, I do believe the idiot thinks he's right.

Which is possibly the scariest thing I have thought in a very long time...

--
William Black

These are the gilded popinjays and murderous assassins of Perfidious
Albion and they are about their Queen's business. Any man who impedes
their passage does so at his own peril.

Bob Myers writes:

But the simulator experience you're talking about is absolutely
meaningless without real-world flight experience.

I don't share that opinion, nor is it widely held.

In fact, it's possible to pursue simulation as an end in itself. It does have
certain advantages that real flight does not.

For that matter, the "simulator" in your case really isn't one.
It's a computer game, something which is VERY far removed from
what the airlines call a simulator.

Clearly, it's been a long time since you last used a desktop simulator.

It is, in fact, absolutely nothing like a real simulator, and
essentially useless for meaningful flight training.

The U.S. military disagrees with you, and has for the past decade (that is,
through several versions of MSFS). So do many pilots, flight schools, and
instructors.

In general, it can be said that anyone who absolutely dismisses or worships
flight simulation is misguided or has some sort of ax to grind.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Bob Myers writes:

But the simulator experience you're talking about is absolutely
meaningless without real-world flight experience.

I don't share that opinion, nor is it widely held.

In fact, it's possible to pursue simulation as an end in itself. It
does have certain advantages that real flight does not.

For that matter, the "simulator" in your case really isn't one.
It's a computer game, something which is VERY far removed from
what the airlines call a simulator.

Clearly, it's been a long time since you last used a desktop
simulator.

Wrong again. And to think that you were just complaining
that *I* had no idea what *you* knew. Mr, Pot, meet
Mr. Kettle.

MSFS is a computer game. It is by no stretch of the imagination
a "flight simulator" in the sense of something that would actually
be useful for flight instruction, except possibly re some very
basic procedures training.


The U.S. military disagrees with you, and has for the past decade
(that is, through several versions of MSFS). So do many pilots,
flight schools, and instructors.

No, they don't disagree with me at all. I know what they're using that game
for
- do you? And just how many pilot certificates have been awarded based
on MSFS hours, do you think?


Bob M.

Bob Myers writes:

MSFS is a computer game.

It's a simulation, which is why Microsoft killed it. The market for simulators
is very small. The market for games is very large.

It is by no stretch of the imagination
a "flight simulator" in the sense of something that would actually
be useful for flight instruction, except possibly re some very
basic procedures training.

As I've said, it is widely used as a learning and training aid.

No, they don't disagree with me at all. I know what they're using that game
for do you?

Yes.

And just how many pilot certificates have been awarded based
on MSFS hours, do you think?

None. In every jurisdiction I know of, you have to have hours in a real
aircraft to get a pilot certificate, at least currently. That may change in
the future, but even then the requirement will be for full-motion simulators,
not desktop simulators.

On Jun 26, 8:39*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Bob Myers writes:
MSFS is a computer game.

It's a simulation, which is why Microsoft killed it. The market for simulators
is very small. The market for games is very large.

WRONG. Guess you can't even speak for Microsoft correctly.

http://www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulatorx/

READ THE URL. It says GAMES. What part of that do you not
understand??????????