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On Jul 13, 12:31*am, Bob Whelan wrote:
As for 'the silver bullet' in wing-tip-holding-methodology, I've (for many years now) asked my runners to let the wing rest on their flat palm, give me the best run they can, and let the tug pull the wing ahead/away from their open palm...no risk of a(n accidentally held-back) run; eliminates any winglet issues; never flown (or encountered) a glider with a downstream protuberance that could hang on anyone's hand (though I've little doubt one - somewhere - exists!). If you let the wing rest on the palm of your hand as a wing runner, how do you prevent the wing lifting off it in a crosswind, if a gust of wind comes through, or if the tug propwash gets underneath it? I personally hold the wing as lightly as possible between my thumb and first finger and at arms length. Some clubs I fly at also require the wing tip runner to signal, so the two-handed method would not be practical at these. Derek C |
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On Jul 13, 1:33*am, Derek C wrote:
On Jul 13, 12:31*am, Bob Whelan wrote: As for 'the silver bullet' in wing-tip-holding-methodology, I've (for many years now) asked my runners to let the wing rest on their flat palm, give me the best run they can, and let the tug pull the wing ahead/away from their open palm...no risk of a(n accidentally held-back) run; eliminates any winglet issues; never flown (or encountered) a glider with a downstream protuberance that could hang on anyone's hand (though I've little doubt one - somewhere - exists!). If you let the wing rest on the palm of your hand as a wing runner, how do you prevent the wing lifting off it in a crosswind, if a gust of wind comes through, or if the tug propwash gets underneath it? I personally hold the wing as lightly as possible between my thumb and first finger and at arms length. Some clubs I fly at also require the wing tip runner to signal, so the two-handed method would not be practical at these. Derek C As a tow pilot I'm looking for a rudder wag, radio call and or arm signal from the wingrunner that the sailplane is ready to launch. Lifting up the wing is gonna make me think that the glider's almost ready but until I see a positive launch signal I'm gonna be waitin' (and wondering if none of the three launch signals are forthcoming). |
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On Jul 13, 3:14*pm, 150flivver wrote:
On Jul 13, 1:33*am, Derek C wrote: On Jul 13, 12:31*am, Bob Whelan wrote: As for 'the silver bullet' in wing-tip-holding-methodology, I've (for many years now) asked my runners to let the wing rest on their flat palm, give me the best run they can, and let the tug pull the wing ahead/away from their open palm...no risk of a(n accidentally held-back) run; eliminates any winglet issues; never flown (or encountered) a glider with a downstream protuberance that could hang on anyone's hand (though I've little doubt one - somewhere - exists!). If you let the wing rest on the palm of your hand as a wing runner, how do you prevent the wing lifting off it in a crosswind, if a gust of wind comes through, or if the tug propwash gets underneath it? I personally hold the wing as lightly as possible between my thumb and first finger and at arms length. Some clubs I fly at also require the wing tip runner to signal, so the two-handed method would not be practical at these. Derek C As a tow pilot I'm looking for a rudder wag, radio call and or arm signal from the wingrunner that the sailplane is ready to launch. Lifting up the wing is gonna make me think that the glider's almost ready but until I see a positive launch signal I'm gonna be waitin' (and wondering if none of the three launch signals are forthcoming).- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This was what I was taught to do: Once the pilot signals readiness by giving me a thumbs up, I raise the wing to a wings level condition. After the wing is level, I allow it to climb or descend, to cue the pilot that he needs to apply some aileron to hold the wings level. If the pilot doesn't get the clue, and the takeoff roll starts, I was taught again to allow the wing to move up or down SOME. Most pilots 'get it' at this point, and start flying the wing. When I'm flying the glider, I prefer the wing runner to hold the wing as lightly as possible. If there's a significant headwind, I often wave off the wing runner altogether. My pet 'wing runner' peave: Wing runners that 'help' by pushing forward on the wing tip. |
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On Jul 13, 4:46*pm, Grider Pirate wrote:
On Jul 13, 3:14*pm, 150flivver wrote: On Jul 13, 1:33*am, Derek C wrote: On Jul 13, 12:31*am, Bob Whelan wrote: As for 'the silver bullet' in wing-tip-holding-methodology, I've (for many years now) asked my runners to let the wing rest on their flat palm, give me the best run they can, and let the tug pull the wing ahead/away from their open palm...no risk of a(n accidentally held-back) run; eliminates any winglet issues; never flown (or encountered) a glider with a downstream protuberance that could hang on anyone's hand (though I've little doubt one - somewhere - exists!). If you let the wing rest on the palm of your hand as a wing runner, how do you prevent the wing lifting off it in a crosswind, if a gust of wind comes through, or if the tug propwash gets underneath it? I personally hold the wing as lightly as possible between my thumb and first finger and at arms length. Some clubs I fly at also require the wing tip runner to signal, so the two-handed method would not be practical at these. Derek C As a tow pilot I'm looking for a rudder wag, radio call and or arm signal from the wingrunner that the sailplane is ready to launch. Lifting up the wing is gonna make me think that the glider's almost ready but until I see a positive launch signal I'm gonna be waitin' (and wondering if none of the three launch signals are forthcoming).- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This was what I was taught to do: *Once the pilot signals readiness by giving me a thumbs up, I raise the wing to a wings level condition. After the wing is level, I allow it to climb or descend, to cue the pilot that he needs to apply some aileron to hold the wings level. *If the pilot doesn't get the clue, and the takeoff roll starts, I was taught again to allow the wing to move up or down SOME. *Most pilots 'get it' at this point, and start flying the wing. When I'm flying the glider, I prefer the wing runner to hold the wing as lightly as possible. *If there's a significant headwind, I often wave off the wing runner altogether. My pet 'wing runner' peave: Wing runners that 'help' by pushing forward on the wing tip. On Sunday, I flew 12 CAP Cadet orientation rides in an ASK-21. The Cadets only training for wing running was the on-line wing runner course they swore they had taken before hand. They had never touched a glider before. I added one additional instruction to what they had learned. Instead of holding the wings "level", I told them to BALANCE the glider with their fingertips wherever it needed to be so there was no up or down force on the wing tip. They were to run the wing at the angle where it balanced. LEVEL was not applicable or important. In cooperation with the wing runners, I placed the stick in the exact center by reference to a mark on the instrument panel and held it there as long as the wing runner held the wing. I got 12 ABSOLUTELY PERFECT wing runs. In most cases, I didn't have to move the stick until the glider was airborne. I didn't care what hand they used or where they stood as long as they were safely outside/ behind the wing tip. In fact, they don't even have to run at all if the glider starts out balanced - it'll take long enough for a wing to fall, the glider will have plenty of airspeed before any aileron is needed. |
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On Aug 10, 8:36*pm, bildan wrote:
On Jul 13, 4:46*pm, Grider Pirate wrote: On Jul 13, 3:14*pm, 150flivver wrote: On Jul 13, 1:33*am, Derek C wrote: On Jul 13, 12:31*am, Bob Whelan wrote: As for 'the silver bullet' in wing-tip-holding-methodology, I've (for many years now) asked my runners to let the wing rest on their flat palm, give me the best run they can, and let the tug pull the wing ahead/away from their open palm...no risk of a(n accidentally held-back) run; eliminates any winglet issues; never flown (or encountered) a glider with a downstream protuberance that could hang on anyone's hand (though I've little doubt one - somewhere - exists!). If you let the wing rest on the palm of your hand as a wing runner, how do you prevent the wing lifting off it in a crosswind, if a gust of wind comes through, or if the tug propwash gets underneath it? I personally hold the wing as lightly as possible between my thumb and first finger and at arms length. Some clubs I fly at also require the wing tip runner to signal, so the two-handed method would not be practical at these. Derek C As a tow pilot I'm looking for a rudder wag, radio call and or arm signal from the wingrunner that the sailplane is ready to launch. Lifting up the wing is gonna make me think that the glider's almost ready but until I see a positive launch signal I'm gonna be waitin' (and wondering if none of the three launch signals are forthcoming).- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This was what I was taught to do: *Once the pilot signals readiness by giving me a thumbs up, I raise the wing to a wings level condition. After the wing is level, I allow it to climb or descend, to cue the pilot that he needs to apply some aileron to hold the wings level. *If the pilot doesn't get the clue, and the takeoff roll starts, I was taught again to allow the wing to move up or down SOME. *Most pilots 'get it' at this point, and start flying the wing. When I'm flying the glider, I prefer the wing runner to hold the wing as lightly as possible. *If there's a significant headwind, I often wave off the wing runner altogether. My pet 'wing runner' peave: Wing runners that 'help' by pushing forward on the wing tip. On Sunday, I flew 12 CAP Cadet orientation rides in an ASK-21. *The Cadets only training for wing running was the on-line wing runner course they swore they had taken before hand. *They had never touched a glider before. I added one additional instruction to what they had learned. *Instead of holding the wings "level", I told them to BALANCE the glider with their fingertips wherever it needed to be so there was no up or down force on the wing tip. *They were to run the wing at the angle where it balanced. *LEVEL was not applicable or important. In cooperation with the wing runners, I placed the stick in the exact center by reference to a mark on the instrument panel and held it there as long as the wing runner held the wing. I got 12 ABSOLUTELY PERFECT wing runs. *In most cases, I didn't have to move the stick until the glider was airborne. *I didn't care what hand they used or where they stood as long as they were safely outside/ behind the wing tip. *In fact, they don't even have to run at all if the glider starts out balanced - it'll take long enough for a wing to fall, the glider will have plenty of airspeed before any aileron is needed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Obviously no crosswinds, gusts or thermals on that day? The ASK-21 has plenty of mass and stability, so it is the best possible candidate for this technique. May not work quite as well for many single seaters, especially if carrying water ballast, or if you have a tug aircraft that generates a lot of propwash (e.g PZL Wiga). Derek C |
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On Aug 10, 11:23*pm, Derek C wrote:
On Aug 10, 8:36*pm, bildan wrote: On Jul 13, 4:46*pm, Grider Pirate wrote: On Jul 13, 3:14*pm, 150flivver wrote: On Jul 13, 1:33*am, Derek C wrote: On Jul 13, 12:31*am, Bob Whelan wrote: As for 'the silver bullet' in wing-tip-holding-methodology, I've (for many years now) asked my runners to let the wing rest on their flat palm, give me the best run they can, and let the tug pull the wing ahead/away from their open palm...no risk of a(n accidentally held-back) run; eliminates any winglet issues; never flown (or encountered) a glider with a downstream protuberance that could hang on anyone's hand (though I've little doubt one - somewhere - exists!). If you let the wing rest on the palm of your hand as a wing runner, how do you prevent the wing lifting off it in a crosswind, if a gust of wind comes through, or if the tug propwash gets underneath it? I personally hold the wing as lightly as possible between my thumb and first finger and at arms length. Some clubs I fly at also require the wing tip runner to signal, so the two-handed method would not be practical at these. Derek C As a tow pilot I'm looking for a rudder wag, radio call and or arm signal from the wingrunner that the sailplane is ready to launch. Lifting up the wing is gonna make me think that the glider's almost ready but until I see a positive launch signal I'm gonna be waitin' (and wondering if none of the three launch signals are forthcoming).- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This was what I was taught to do: *Once the pilot signals readiness by giving me a thumbs up, I raise the wing to a wings level condition. After the wing is level, I allow it to climb or descend, to cue the pilot that he needs to apply some aileron to hold the wings level. *If the pilot doesn't get the clue, and the takeoff roll starts, I was taught again to allow the wing to move up or down SOME. *Most pilots 'get it' at this point, and start flying the wing. When I'm flying the glider, I prefer the wing runner to hold the wing as lightly as possible. *If there's a significant headwind, I often wave off the wing runner altogether. My pet 'wing runner' peave: Wing runners that 'help' by pushing forward on the wing tip. On Sunday, I flew 12 CAP Cadet orientation rides in an ASK-21. *The Cadets only training for wing running was the on-line wing runner course they swore they had taken before hand. *They had never touched a glider before. I added one additional instruction to what they had learned. *Instead of holding the wings "level", I told them to BALANCE the glider with their fingertips wherever it needed to be so there was no up or down force on the wing tip. *They were to run the wing at the angle where it balanced. *LEVEL was not applicable or important. In cooperation with the wing runners, I placed the stick in the exact center by reference to a mark on the instrument panel and held it there as long as the wing runner held the wing. I got 12 ABSOLUTELY PERFECT wing runs. *In most cases, I didn't have to move the stick until the glider was airborne. *I didn't care what hand they used or where they stood as long as they were safely outside/ behind the wing tip. *In fact, they don't even have to run at all if the glider starts out balanced - it'll take long enough for a wing to fall, the glider will have plenty of airspeed before any aileron is needed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Obviously no crosswinds, gusts or thermals on that day? The ASK-21 has plenty of mass and stability, so it is the best possible candidate for this technique. May not work quite as well for many single seaters, especially if carrying water ballast, or if you have a tug aircraft that generates a lot of propwash (e.g PZL Wiga). Derek C Yes, there was a crosswind which is why it worked so well. It works even better with ballasted single seaters. |
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On Aug 11, 7:32*pm, bildan wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:23*pm, Derek C wrote: On Aug 10, 8:36*pm, bildan wrote: On Jul 13, 4:46*pm, Grider Pirate wrote: On Jul 13, 3:14*pm, 150flivver wrote: On Jul 13, 1:33*am, Derek C wrote: On Jul 13, 12:31*am, Bob Whelan wrote: As for 'the silver bullet' in wing-tip-holding-methodology, I've (for many years now) asked my runners to let the wing rest on their flat palm, give me the best run they can, and let the tug pull the wing ahead/away from their open palm...no risk of a(n accidentally held-back) run; eliminates any winglet issues; never flown (or encountered) a glider with a downstream protuberance that could hang on anyone's hand (though I've little doubt one - somewhere - exists!). If you let the wing rest on the palm of your hand as a wing runner, how do you prevent the wing lifting off it in a crosswind, if a gust of wind comes through, or if the tug propwash gets underneath it? I personally hold the wing as lightly as possible between my thumb and first finger and at arms length. Some clubs I fly at also require the wing tip runner to signal, so the two-handed method would not be practical at these. Derek C As a tow pilot I'm looking for a rudder wag, radio call and or arm signal from the wingrunner that the sailplane is ready to launch. Lifting up the wing is gonna make me think that the glider's almost ready but until I see a positive launch signal I'm gonna be waitin' (and wondering if none of the three launch signals are forthcoming).- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This was what I was taught to do: *Once the pilot signals readiness by giving me a thumbs up, I raise the wing to a wings level condition. After the wing is level, I allow it to climb or descend, to cue the pilot that he needs to apply some aileron to hold the wings level. *If the pilot doesn't get the clue, and the takeoff roll starts, I was taught again to allow the wing to move up or down SOME. *Most pilots 'get it' at this point, and start flying the wing. When I'm flying the glider, I prefer the wing runner to hold the wing as lightly as possible. *If there's a significant headwind, I often wave off the wing runner altogether. My pet 'wing runner' peave: Wing runners that 'help' by pushing forward on the wing tip. On Sunday, I flew 12 CAP Cadet orientation rides in an ASK-21. *The Cadets only training for wing running was the on-line wing runner course they swore they had taken before hand. *They had never touched a glider before. I added one additional instruction to what they had learned. *Instead of holding the wings "level", I told them to BALANCE the glider with their fingertips wherever it needed to be so there was no up or down force on the wing tip. *They were to run the wing at the angle where it balanced. *LEVEL was not applicable or important. In cooperation with the wing runners, I placed the stick in the exact center by reference to a mark on the instrument panel and held it there as long as the wing runner held the wing. I got 12 ABSOLUTELY PERFECT wing runs. *In most cases, I didn't have to move the stick until the glider was airborne. *I didn't care what hand they used or where they stood as long as they were safely outside/ behind the wing tip. *In fact, they don't even have to run at all if the glider starts out balanced - it'll take long enough for a wing to fall, the glider will have plenty of airspeed before any aileron is needed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Obviously no crosswinds, gusts or thermals on that day? The ASK-21 has plenty of mass and stability, so it is the best possible candidate for this technique. May not work quite as well for many single seaters, especially if carrying water ballast, or if you have a tug aircraft that generates a lot of propwash (e.g PZL Wiga). Derek C Yes, there was a crosswind which is why it worked so well. *It works even better with ballasted single seaters.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Would only work if the wing tip runner holds the downwind tip and runs pretty fast before letting go. The aileron response of a fully water ballasted glider can be pretty minimum until a good airspeed is reached, or there is a good headwind to start with. It may be necessary to hold the wings level for quite a few seconds before starting the launch to allow the water to equilibrate in the tanks or bags. Derek C |
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On Aug 11, 7:32*pm, bildan wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:23*pm, Derek C wrote: On Aug 10, 8:36*pm, bildan wrote: On Jul 13, 4:46*pm, Grider Pirate wrote: On Jul 13, 3:14*pm, 150flivver wrote: On Jul 13, 1:33*am, Derek C wrote: On Jul 13, 12:31*am, Bob Whelan wrote: As for 'the silver bullet' in wing-tip-holding-methodology, I've (for many years now) asked my runners to let the wing rest on their flat palm, give me the best run they can, and let the tug pull the wing ahead/away from their open palm...no risk of a(n accidentally held-back) run; eliminates any winglet issues; never flown (or encountered) a glider with a downstream protuberance that could hang on anyone's hand (though I've little doubt one - somewhere - exists!). If you let the wing rest on the palm of your hand as a wing runner, how do you prevent the wing lifting off it in a crosswind, if a gust of wind comes through, or if the tug propwash gets underneath it? I personally hold the wing as lightly as possible between my thumb and first finger and at arms length. Some clubs I fly at also require the wing tip runner to signal, so the two-handed method would not be practical at these. Derek C As a tow pilot I'm looking for a rudder wag, radio call and or arm signal from the wingrunner that the sailplane is ready to launch. Lifting up the wing is gonna make me think that the glider's almost ready but until I see a positive launch signal I'm gonna be waitin' (and wondering if none of the three launch signals are forthcoming).- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This was what I was taught to do: *Once the pilot signals readiness by giving me a thumbs up, I raise the wing to a wings level condition. After the wing is level, I allow it to climb or descend, to cue the pilot that he needs to apply some aileron to hold the wings level. *If the pilot doesn't get the clue, and the takeoff roll starts, I was taught again to allow the wing to move up or down SOME. *Most pilots 'get it' at this point, and start flying the wing. When I'm flying the glider, I prefer the wing runner to hold the wing as lightly as possible. *If there's a significant headwind, I often wave off the wing runner altogether. My pet 'wing runner' peave: Wing runners that 'help' by pushing forward on the wing tip. On Sunday, I flew 12 CAP Cadet orientation rides in an ASK-21. *The Cadets only training for wing running was the on-line wing runner course they swore they had taken before hand. *They had never touched a glider before. I added one additional instruction to what they had learned. *Instead of holding the wings "level", I told them to BALANCE the glider with their fingertips wherever it needed to be so there was no up or down force on the wing tip. *They were to run the wing at the angle where it balanced. *LEVEL was not applicable or important. In cooperation with the wing runners, I placed the stick in the exact center by reference to a mark on the instrument panel and held it there as long as the wing runner held the wing. I got 12 ABSOLUTELY PERFECT wing runs. *In most cases, I didn't have to move the stick until the glider was airborne. *I didn't care what hand they used or where they stood as long as they were safely outside/ behind the wing tip. *In fact, they don't even have to run at all if the glider starts out balanced - it'll take long enough for a wing to fall, the glider will have plenty of airspeed before any aileron is needed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Obviously no crosswinds, gusts or thermals on that day? The ASK-21 has plenty of mass and stability, so it is the best possible candidate for this technique. May not work quite as well for many single seaters, especially if carrying water ballast, or if you have a tug aircraft that generates a lot of propwash (e.g PZL Wiga). Derek C Yes, there was a crosswind which is why it worked so well. *It works even better with ballasted single seaters.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Would only work if the wing tip runner holds the downwind tip and runs pretty fast before letting go. The aileron response of a fully water ballasted glider can be pretty minimum until a good airspeed is reached, or there is a good headwind to start with. It may be necessary to hold the wings level for quite a few seconds before starting the launch to allow the water to equilibrate in the tanks or bags. Derek C |
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On Jul 13, 1:33 am, Derek wrote:
On Jul 13, 12:31 am, Bob wrote: As for 'the silver bullet' in wing-tip-holding-methodology, I've (for many years now) asked my runners to let the wing rest on their flat palm, give me the best run they can, and let the tug pull the wing ahead/away from their open palm...no risk of a(n accidentally held-back) run; eliminates any winglet issues; never flown (or encountered) a glider with a downstream protuberance that could hang on anyone's hand (though I've little doubt one - somewhere - exists!). If you let the wing rest on the palm of your hand as a wing runner, how do you prevent the wing lifting off it in a crosswind, if a gust of wind comes through, or if the tug propwash gets underneath it? Certainly a theoretical possibility (prematurely losing contact between palm and wing undersurface, I mean)...this is an example of one of the Devil's details noted in a previous post. That said, all I can relate is my experience and an observation, neither of which unequivocally answers your question. In my experience (both as a wing runner and glider guider), neither proposed possibility has ever occurred. Perhaps it's because - when aerodynamically moving a glider wingtip is under consideration - tip movement can't happen 'instantaneously'. Personally, I don't put my palm beneath the wing's undersurface until the glider, glider pilot and I are all ready to go; prior to that I'm engaging the wingtip by whatever method I need to in order to achieve whatever it is I'm trying to accomplish (e.g. lifting the tip off the ground...which I generally do by grasping the leading edge of the wing; balancing w. partial water, etc.). It's while doing these preliminaries I get a sense for how much of an impact (or not) the existing wind/gust field is likely to have. As noted, gusts have never been an issue for me - as a launcher or launchee. Nor - by the time I've got the wing in place atop my palm - has any tug's propwash ever been an issue. The only times I've witnessed propwash affecting the glider a 1) about the time power is added to take 'the bulk of' the slack out after the tug has completed positioning itself (more or less) directly ahead of the glider, and 2) well after the wingtip has been pulled forward/away-from my palm. In the former instance, if I'm by a wingtip when it lifts from the ground, I generally slide my foot beneath it to lessen any graceless 'concrete whap' which might otherwise occur, while in the latter I've (definitionally) done all I can do. YMMV. In any event, there's definitely more to wing running than would seem to be the case to an uninformed, casual observer! Bob W. |
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On Jul 14, 9:59*pm, Bob Whelan wrote:
On Jul 13, 1:33 am, Derek *wrote: On Jul 13, 12:31 am, Bob *wrote: As for 'the silver bullet' in wing-tip-holding-methodology, I've (for many years now) asked my runners to let the wing rest on their flat palm, give me the best run they can, and let the tug pull the wing ahead/away from their open palm...no risk of a(n accidentally held-back) run; eliminates any winglet issues; never flown (or encountered) a glider with a downstream protuberance that could hang on anyone's hand (though I've little doubt one - somewhere - exists!). If you let the wing rest on the palm of your hand as a wing runner, how do you prevent the wing lifting off it in a crosswind, if a gust of wind comes through, or if the tug propwash gets underneath it? Certainly a theoretical possibility (prematurely losing contact between palm and wing undersurface, I mean)...this is an example of one of the Devil's details noted in a previous post. That said, all I can relate is my experience and an observation, neither of which unequivocally answers your question. In my experience (both as a wing runner and glider guider), neither proposed possibility has ever occurred. Perhaps it's because - when aerodynamically moving a glider wingtip is under consideration - tip movement can't happen 'instantaneously'. Personally, I don't put my palm beneath the wing's undersurface until the glider, glider pilot and I are all ready to go; prior to that I'm engaging the wingtip by whatever method I need to in order to achieve whatever it is I'm trying to accomplish (e.g. lifting the tip off the ground...which I generally do by grasping the leading edge of the wing; balancing w. partial water, etc.). It's while doing these preliminaries I get a sense for how much of an impact (or not) the existing wind/gust field is likely to have. As noted, gusts have never been an issue for me - as a launcher or launchee. Nor - by the time I've got the wing in place atop my palm - has any tug's propwash ever been an issue. The only times I've witnessed propwash affecting the glider a 1) about the time power is added to take 'the bulk of' the slack out after the tug has completed positioning itself (more or less) directly ahead of the glider, and 2) well after the wingtip has been pulled forward/away-from my palm. In the former instance, if I'm by a wingtip when it lifts from the ground, I generally slide my foot beneath it to lessen any graceless 'concrete whap' which might otherwise occur, while in the latter I've (definitionally) done all I can do. YMMV. In any event, there's definitely more to wing running than would seem to be the case to an uninformed, casual observer! Bob W. Have you ever launched behind a PZL Wilga or similar radial engined tug with a huge slow running propeller. The prop wash can be horrendous and can easily force a wingtip onto the ground when the wingtip runner lets go, or even while he is still holding it! The resting on the palm technique probably won't work in this case. Derek C |
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