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On Jul 29, 4:04*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Jul 29, 12:55*pm, chris wrote: On Jul 29, 2:51*pm, Guy Byars wrote: What you are suggesting is possible with a triangular task... ie... starting in the middle of a leg with 3 turnpoints and a start and finish not on one of the verticies of the triangle. * But that is not allowed for out and return tasks.. works for triangles, but not for O&R? I suppose it makes too much logical sense to be allowed! adding a remote start never shortens the distance flown, it can only equal exactly or increase the actual distance compared to the claimed distance. oh well on to plan b. So if the direct distance is 500.2km according to SeeYou would it be risky to fly that declaration? *I was planning on finding another turnpoint at least 2-5 km further away just so i don't miss it if someone does the math slightly differently. Chris The point is to prevent any possibility of a yo-yo or close to that. It's to show how good you are at going from some place straight out and back to another point that you have declared ahead of time. The sporting code intent and actual rules for O&R make perfect sense. Darryl well to me if you can do a remote start along the leg of a triangle why not on an O&R. it would make sense to me to go south for 125k, north 250 and back 125 for the finish and call it 500km. But if that ain't the way it works then i'll just use the point 5km south as the start and finish. thanks for everyone's clarification. chris |
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Doing the south 125K to the 1st turn point, north 250K to the second
turn point, and south 125K to the start point, would count as a 500K task. Just not a 500K O&R. well to me if you can do a remote start along the leg of a triangle why not on an O&R. it would make sense to me to go south for 125k, north 250 and back 125 for the finish and call it 500km. *But if that ain't the way it works then i'll just use the point 5km south as the start and finish. thanks for everyone's clarification. chris- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Jul 29, 5:46*pm, chris wrote:
On Jul 29, 4:04*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote: On Jul 29, 12:55*pm, chris wrote: On Jul 29, 2:51*pm, Guy Byars wrote: What you are suggesting is possible with a triangular task... ie... starting in the middle of a leg with 3 turnpoints and a start and finish not on one of the verticies of the triangle. * But that is not allowed for out and return tasks.. works for triangles, but not for O&R? I suppose it makes too much logical sense to be allowed! adding a remote start never shortens the distance flown, it can only equal exactly or increase the actual distance compared to the claimed distance. oh well on to plan b. So if the direct distance is 500.2km according to SeeYou would it be risky to fly that declaration? *I was planning on finding another turnpoint at least 2-5 km further away just so i don't miss it if someone does the math slightly differently. Chris The point is to prevent any possibility of a yo-yo or close to that. It's to show how good you are at going from some place straight out and back to another point that you have declared ahead of time. The sporting code intent and actual rules for O&R make perfect sense. Darryl well to me if you can do a remote start along the leg of a triangle why not on an O&R. it would make sense to me to go south for 125k, north 250 and back 125 for the finish and call it 500km. *But if that ain't the way it works then i'll just use the point 5km south as the start and finish. thanks for everyone's clarification. chris The distance for a triangle with a "remote" start only includes the distance between the three triangle turnpoints. It's a tool that lets you "jump" into a triangle of certain geometry/position from another point. In the sense that any extra distance from the remote start/ finish does not count it is analogous to flying to a "remote" start/ finish for an O&R. If all you want to do is do a diamond goal flight you can do a triangle -- which meets the closed coarse goal requirement. Just declare the start/finish point and two waypoints. You then have a (squished) 2 turnpoint triangle. For badges there is no need to meet FAI triangle geometry. Which takes us back to where you originally asked about but I was not clear you were talking about a badge. For records you need to meet FAI triangle geometry requirements. This is a common misunderstanding. A 500km "flat" diamond like this will get you the goal and distance in one flight. So are you happy now? But.... go put on a pot of coffee (or two or three) and spend some time really studying the sporting code more, because if you've missed this stuff so far there are likely other things that are going to bite you. And find a good OO who knows this stuff backwards. Darryl |
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