O&R clarification with remote start

On Jul 29, 1:38*pm, chris wrote:
I wanted to clarify something about an Out & Return route.

My planned flight is for a 500k O&R. * I want to use
my home airport as a remote start,
fly 10km south to turnpoint 1
fly 250km north to turnpoint 2
fly 240km south and finish at my home airport [same as the remote
start].

Does this fit the FAI sporting code for an O&R definition? *The
wording says something about a route with one turn point. *But if you
mix in a remote start&finish along the first leg do you then end up
with 2 turnpoints?

Is there a fai document that shows remote start options with drawings?

Chris

I'll answer your question directly first. No - what you have
proposed is NOT an O&R flight. An O&R flight is defined as a closed
course with two legs. Practically speaking, that's Start --
Turnpoint -- Finish. The Sporting Code is very clear on this.

You are using some old/outdated terminology when you use the term
"remote start". It doesn't exist any more. There is a Start and a
Finish.

What you didn't state is exactly what you are trying to achieve. If
you are trying to break a 500K O&R Record, then your only option is to
find a point 250K or more away from your start/finish. If you are
trying to achieve a Diamond Distance flight, then you have many more
options including a 3 turn point flight. That would mean a Start-
Turnpoint 1- Turnpoint 2-Turnpoint 3- Finish.

The best way to get the official advice is to email the SSA directly
and we will get back to you on your specific circumstances.

Erik Mann (P3)
SSA B&R Committee

Just one more quick clarification:

"3 turnpoints" is NOT the same thing as a "Triangle"! You can declare
up to 3 turnpoints for many distance tasks and there is no requirement
for them to be in the shape of a triangle. So your "Out and Return"
_course_ is possible, just not as an "Out and Return" type
declaration.

As others have suggested, check out the SC3 and this handy booklet on
the SSA website - its long but it describes the various types of tasks
and turnpoints well: http://www.ssa.org/files/member/B&RGuide.pdf
(you may need to read it two or three times for it to all make sense,
but stick with it)

Good luck,

--Noel

On Jul 29, 8:39*pm, "noel.wade" wrote:
Just one more quick clarification:

"3 turnpoints" is NOT the same thing as a "Triangle"! *You can declare
up to 3 turnpoints for many distance tasks and there is no requirement
for them to be in the shape of a triangle. *So your "Out and Return"
_course_ is possible, just not as an "Out and Return" type
declaration.

As others have suggested, check out the SC3 and this handy booklet on
the SSA website - its long but it describes the various types of tasks
and turnpoints well: *http://www.ssa.org/files/member/B&RGuide.pdf
(you may need to read it two or three times for it to all make sense,
but stick with it)

Good luck,

--Noel

I would really focus on the actual FAI sporting code section 3 and
annex C documents. It is not clear to me how the SSA "summary" of the
rules really helps or why it exists, and its actually helped fuel
confusion on the Glider ID vs. Contest ID confusion as discussed here
before. But keep the forms from the SSA handy to use for your paper
declaration.

Darryl