Accident at Szeged WGC

Hauntingly similar to the Hawker collision.

How so?

On Jul 30, 8:51*am, Tony wrote:
Hauntingly similar to the Hawker collision.

How so?

This accident is anything but similar to any accident I ever heard
off...

Ramy

On Jul 30, 12:43*pm, Ramy wrote:
On Jul 30, 8:51*am, Tony wrote:

Hauntingly similar to the Hawker collision.

How so?

This accident is anything but similar to any accident I ever heard
off...

Ramy

I does have something in common with the fatal accident in the Jr
Worlds in the UK a few years ago.
That commonality is direct finishes flown over places where people ,
and in this case vehicles, are.
It's all fine till you don't have quite enough energy, or you go too
low, then it is a big time event quickly.
We can only hope the driver comes out OK.
Boring cylinder finishes anyone?
UH

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:01:41 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Boring cylinder finishes anyone?

Already being used at the WGC since today.

Best wishes for the truck driver
Andreas

Bye
Andreas

On Jul 30, 12:10*pm, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:01:41 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Boring cylinder finishes anyone?

Already being used at the WGC since today.

Best wishes for the truck driver
Andreas

Bye
Andreas

What a completely senseless and preventable accident. Go back and
look at the vicious comments that were made here when BB suggested all
line finishes should be abolished in favor of the 500' and 1 mile
cylinder. Mr. Larson's death should have been enough to quiet the
fans of low and fast. Gliders have no business flying close to the
ground, same for other aircraft. The organizers and the FAI contest
rule committee have a responsibility to protect bystanders and others,
they failed in their duty.
Herb, J7

On Jul 30, 1:03*pm, Herb wrote:

What a completely senseless and preventable accident. *Go back and
look at the vicious comments that were made here when BB suggested all
line finishes should be abolished in favor of the 500' and 1 mile
cylinder. *Mr. Larson's death should have been enough to quiet the
fans of low and fast. *Gliders have no business flying close to the
ground, same for other aircraft. *

You and JJ seem to be under the impression that the Szeged accident
resulted from a low altitude high speed approach. Reports from the
site indicate the glider, like some others finishing that day, was low
energy.

Do you have new information that conflicts with those reports?

If not, can you please explain how the finish type was a factor in the
accident.

Andy (GY)

You and JJ seem to be under the impression that the Szeged accident
resulted from a low altitude high speed approach. *Reports from the
site indicate the glider, like some others finishing that day, was low
energy.

Do you have new information that conflicts with those reports?

If not, can you please explain how the finish type was a factor in the
accident.

Andy (GY)

Low energy becomes evident at the end of your finish. The guy who
can't make the 500'/1mile cylinder calls for a straight-in landing.
The guy that finds himself with low energy while trying to make a 50'
finish line eats the fence/ hits a truck!
JJ

On Jul 30, 5:17*pm, Andy wrote:
On Jul 30, 1:03*pm, Herb wrote:

What a completely senseless and preventable accident. *Go back and
look at the vicious comments that were made here when BB suggested all
line finishes should be abolished in favor of the 500' and 1 mile
cylinder. *Mr. Larson's death should have been enough to quiet the
fans of low and fast. *Gliders have no business flying close to the
ground, same for other aircraft. *

You and JJ seem to be under the impression that the Szeged accident
resulted from a low altitude high speed approach. *Reports from the
site indicate the glider, like some others finishing that day, was low
energy.

Do you have new information that conflicts with those reports?

If not, can you please explain how the finish type was a factor in the
accident.

Andy (GY)

The difference is that the direct finish, flown perfectly means you
cross the finish line(airport boundary?) at exactly your average speed
for the task and at as little altitude as you dare. It doesn't take
much to have that go wrong.
The issue of safety of people other than the pilots is mostly a factor
of whether potential victims are in the flight path as opposed to
finishes across a lake(like Finland or big fields as we had in
Germany).
I suspect we will see a trend, even in Europe, away from direct
finishes.
Also a factor is this is the "big race" and people will take risks
they would not take any other time.
I speak from experience on this.
FWIW
UH

Boring cylinder finishes anyone?
UH

Boring (but safe) cylinder finishes!
I was rolling on the runway when another competitor did a low finish
right over me, even though the cylinder finish was in use at Parowan.
I thought he was trying to land in front of me for a second or two and
was ready to ground-loop out of his way, if
necessary................nope, just another hot-shot showing his
ignorance as he did his little macho-crotcho low pass and then pulled
up into a crowded pattern without a word over the radio!

Radio contact is no longer needed to get a good start or finish and
the most important use of the radio is to let each other know where we
are in relation to finishing and landing. Recommend the rules call for
a 4 mile call, finish and down-wind to XX radio calls.

I CD'd Air Sailing Sports Class last week and instructed all to call 4
miles, finish and down-wind to whatever and anyone below 500 feet
better be in the pattern or doing a rolling finish!

Hank, it is high time we get the unnecessary and unsafe line finish
out of US rules and instruct CD's to not allow any low finishes.
JJ (the outspoken trouble-maker)

On Jul 31, 8:47*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Boring cylinder finishes anyone?
UH

Boring *(but safe) cylinder finishes!
I was rolling on the runway when another competitor did a low finish
right over me, even though the cylinder finish was in use at Parowan.
I thought he was trying to land in front of me for a second or two and
was ready to ground-loop out of his way, if
necessary................nope, just another hot-shot showing his
ignorance as he did his little macho-crotcho low pass and then pulled
up into a crowded pattern without a word over the radio!

Radio contact is no longer needed to get a good start or finish and
the most important use of the radio is to let each other know where we
are in relation to finishing and landing. Recommend the rules call for
a 4 mile call, finish and down-wind to XX radio calls.

I CD'd Air Sailing Sports Class last week and instructed all to call 4
miles, finish and down-wind to whatever and anyone below 500 feet
better be in the pattern or doing a rolling finish!

Hank, it is high time we get the unnecessary and unsafe line finish
out of US rules and instruct CD's to not allow any low finishes.
JJ (the outspoken trouble-maker)


You yanks crack me up...

The fact that he may have had his wheel and flaps down when he hit the
truck has nothing to do with it, lets not actually wait until the
whole fact are known, nah let's jump in and make lots of assumptions,
don't you think if he was in fact completing a high speed comp finish
the pilot would be dead???

No, you guys would rather have multiple gliders coming from different
directions at high speed with all the pilots focussing on looking at
there GPS's screens.

It seems to me that when you guys were all flying comps when you were
younger there seemed to be no problem with low level finish but now
your are all over 65 it's all to dangerous.

So lets ban comp finish, but make it perfectly alright to complete a
task after you have had a midair.