A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Home Built
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

RANS S-9 Chaos loses a wing



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old August 19th 10, 11:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting
a[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 562
Default RANS S-9 Chaos loses a wing

On Aug 19, 3:40*am, Oliver Arend wrote:
I'm working for a German ultralight manufacturer (whereas European
ultralights compare more to US LSA than to US ultralights), and all
our aircraft are required by law to have a BRS installed. We've had
several of our customers come down safely under a 'chute.

Of course it is preferable to never have to use a recovery system.
Events like wings folding, control systems breaking or similar are
very rare. In most cases where the BRS has to be used, it's when the
engine quits _and_ there's no place to safely make an emergency
landing, like over water, forest or swamp.

Even if you have a BRS installed, it is advisable to try an emergency
landing in a suitable field, since very likely the structure of the
airplane will suffer less damage. As someone pointed out, the airplane
comes down nose first, usually with a speed of about 5-6 m/s (15-20 ft/
s). That can break a lot of expensive stuff (prop, engine, fuselage).
In an emergency landing, done properly, you may only have to replace
the landing gear and cover up a few bruises on the fuselage.

Oliver


I was interested in seeing if there was any factual information about
damages immediately available on the use of recovery parachutes,
here's the URL from manufacturer with some interesting statistics, the
most telling of which is that those Cessna pilots listed here who
deployed their chutes .walked away from airplanes that in most cases
suffered serious damage but would fly again.


http://brsparachutes.com/cessna_182_faq.aspx


Looking a little more, here's something Cirrus specific. Notice the
number of accidents where the PIC was instrument rated.

http://www.cirruspilots.org/content/...nsLearned.aspx

One last bit. . .

http://www.cirruspilots.org/content/2009CAPSWorks.aspx

Probably 40% of my SEL PIC time is either or both night/IMC, and this
information at least suggests the probable cost and risk of deploying
a recovery chute if there's going to be a forced off field landing is
less than attempting to find a suitable place to put the bird down
safely. It's clear the chances of a no-damage landing are better if
one flies and lands the airplane, but so are the chances of post
landing fire or a non survivable crash.

The guys who really study this stuff are the insurers, be interesting
to see if liability rates and the like start showing lower rates for
those who fly airplanes with recovery chutes. I doubt there's a large
enough data base accurate statistics, but the universe of owner pilots
is an attractive one for insurers (the underlying assumption being
that group is self selecting as well above average in income).

Decisions, decisions.

  #2  
Old August 19th 10, 03:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
rich[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 43
Default RANS S-9 Chaos loses a wing

That Rans looks like a piece of crap. Of all the acrobatic planes out
there to choose from, why anyone would choose that model for that
purpose is beyond me. Is it cheap? is that why it's popular?
  #3  
Old August 19th 10, 05:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
cavelamb[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 257
Default RANS S-9 Chaos loses a wing

rich wrote:
That Rans looks like a piece of crap. Of all the acrobatic planes out
there to choose from, why anyone would choose that model for that
purpose is beyond me. Is it cheap? is that why it's popular?



Notice that the wing came off intact.

Looks like the struts folded in compression.

Also note the very narrow angle, since the struts go to the bottom
of the fuselage (on a mid wing).

I'd sure like to be able to inspect the remains...


--

Richard Lamb


  #4  
Old August 20th 10, 07:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Tom De Moor
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 44
Default RANS S-9 Chaos loses a wing

In article , rich54
@rocketmail.com says...

That Rans looks like a piece of crap. Of all the acrobatic planes out
there to choose from, why anyone would choose that model for that
purpose is beyond me. Is it cheap? is that why it's popular?




http://www.rans.com/s9spec.html

Around 10 kUS$ for an airframe seems not overly expensif.
189 flying.

As to looks and colors...

Tom De Moor



 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FAA falling further into chaos TheTruth[_2_] Piloting 2 March 12th 08 06:05 AM
Batavia Air 737 loses wing segment in flight BernieFlyer[_2_] Piloting 2 November 25th 07 10:05 AM
FAA Chaos MyCoxaFallen Piloting 12 June 6th 05 04:54 PM
DC Chaos, 9/11 and other assorted FAA diasters MyCoxaFallen Instrument Flight Rules 0 June 2nd 05 06:23 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:23 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.