RANS S-9 Chaos loses a wing

"Garry O" wrote

One of the themes developing here it the recoverability of the air frame,
what a crock!!

I don't think that was the thrust in this part of the thread. It perhaps
was elsewhere, but here, the level parachute landing vs. tail up or tail
down is being discussed. It seemed someone said the ultralight type
aircraft they were talking about had the chute rigged from the tail. I was
stating that the fuselage, landing gear and seats offered much better crush
distance (equating directly to peak G forces experienced by the occupants)
that would a tail up landing. I stick by that observation for well designed
aircraft. The landing gear will crush, and so will proper seat supports,
thus giving maximum protection to the people in the plane.

if the pilot feels that the situation is so far beyond his/her
capabilities then I think that any damage to the airframe is the furthest
thing from their mind and rather they have taken a course of action
designed to make their survivability a priority.
honestly do you think someone would pull the chute if they only thought
"maybe I can't do this" or when they thought "****!! this is going to
hurt"

I never have been in a position to pull a chute in a plane, but I purposely
drove off an inline in a van rather than roll down the incline, and in that
case, I most definitely thought "this is going to hurt" in one millisecond
during the crash. I made the right choice, because I did not roll, and I
most certainly would have if I had not made the conscious choice to drive
directly off of the drop-off.

If a person decides to pull a chute, they most likely have decided the plane
is a write-off. It only could be a bonus if it is not.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Garry O" wrote
One of the themes developing here it the recoverability of the air frame,
what a crock!!

I don't think that was the thrust in this part of the thread. It perhaps
was elsewhere, but here, the level parachute landing vs. tail up or tail
down is being discussed. It seemed someone said the ultralight type
aircraft they were talking about had the chute rigged from the tail.


We don't really KNOW how it was rigged, only how it came down.
As much roll as was present, it could well be that part of the
harness got wrapped around the tailwheel or something...



--

Richard Lamb

"Morgans" wrote in message
news

"Garry O" wrote

One of the themes developing here it the recoverability of the air frame,
what a crock!!

I don't think that was the thrust in this part of the thread. It perhaps
was elsewhere, but here, the level parachute landing vs. tail up or tail
down is being discussed. It seemed someone said the ultralight type
aircraft they were talking about had the chute rigged from the tail. I
was stating that the fuselage, landing gear and seats offered much better
crush distance (equating directly to peak G forces experienced by the
occupants) that would a tail up landing. I stick by that observation for
well designed aircraft. The landing gear will crush, and so will proper
seat supports, thus giving maximum protection to the people in the plane.

if the pilot feels that the situation is so far beyond his/her
capabilities then I think that any damage to the airframe is the furthest
thing from their mind and rather they have taken a course of action
designed to make their survivability a priority.
honestly do you think someone would pull the chute if they only thought
"maybe I can't do this" or when they thought "****!! this is going to
hurt"

I never have been in a position to pull a chute in a plane, but I
purposely drove off an inline in a van rather than roll down the incline,
and in that case, I most definitely thought "this is going to hurt" in one
millisecond during the crash. I made the right choice, because I did not
roll, and I most certainly would have if I had not made the conscious
choice to drive directly off of the drop-off.

If a person decides to pull a chute, they most likely have decided the
plane is a write-off. It only could be a bonus if it is not.
--
Jim in NC

My fault, I was replying to Oliver Arend and in particular this part "Even
if you have a BRS installed, it is advisable to try an emergency
landing in a suitable field, since very likely the structure of the airplane
will suffer less damage"
A sentiment that others seemed to share. I by no means think that is all
they thought of but rather they seemed fixated on that particular argument.
While none of the AC I have flown have had a BRS installed I know that I
would not pull the handle unless all other options had been exhausted and
F^(K the airframe, if it gave up its life saving mine then so be it, AC can
be re-built or another purchased, my kids and wife can not so easily replace
me, or so I would like to think ;-)

--
Garry O

"Garry O" wrote

While none of the AC I have flown have had a BRS installed I know that I
would not pull the handle unless all other options had been exhausted and
F^(K the airframe, if it gave up its life saving mine then so be it, AC
can be re-built or another purchased, my kids and wife can not so easily
replace me, or so I would like to think ;-)

Indeed. And so you think and hope- that you are not easily replaced. g

On a slightly different thought, my wife had been previously married, and
had left her ex because of some extra-curricular activities on his part.

Now, when I screw up on something (fairly large screw-ups) she is quick to
remind me, saying, (I got rid of one, already. I can do it again, just as
easily) This, with a smile on her face.

I think (hope) she is joking on that one, too! g
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Garry O" wrote

While none of the AC I have flown have had a BRS installed I know that I
would not pull the handle unless all other options had been exhausted and
F^(K the airframe, if it gave up its life saving mine then so be it, AC
can be re-built or another purchased, my kids and wife can not so easily
replace me, or so I would like to think ;-)

Indeed. And so you think and hope- that you are not easily replaced. g

On a slightly different thought, my wife had been previously married, and
had left her ex because of some extra-curricular activities on his part.

Now, when I screw up on something (fairly large screw-ups) she is quick to
remind me, saying, (I got rid of one, already. I can do it again, just as
easily) This, with a smile on her face.

I think (hope) she is joking on that one, too! g

My now ex was a tad more mercenary. Not long before I retired from
the military she and my children were "joking" about how to bump me off.
She also told me I had to sleep sometime. I guess a couple hundred
dollars SGLI was a bit tempting.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Garry O" wrote

While none of the AC I have flown have had a BRS installed I know that I
would not pull the handle unless all other options had been exhausted and
F^(K the airframe, if it gave up its life saving mine then so be it, AC
can be re-built or another purchased, my kids and wife can not so easily
replace me, or so I would like to think ;-)

Indeed. And so you think and hope- that you are not easily replaced. g

On a slightly different thought, my wife had been previously married, and
had left her ex because of some extra-curricular activities on his part.

Now, when I screw up on something (fairly large screw-ups) she is quick to
remind me, saying, (I got rid of one, already. I can do it again, just as
easily) This, with a smile on her face.

I think (hope) she is joking on that one, too! g
--
Jim in NC

On Aug 23, 10:50*pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Garry O" wrote

While none of the AC I have flown have had a BRS installed I know that I
would not pull the handle unless all other options had been exhausted and
F^(K the airframe, if it gave up its life saving mine then so be it, AC
can be re-built or another purchased, my kids and wife can not so easily
replace me, or so I would like to think ;-)

Indeed. *And so you think and hope- that you are not easily replaced. *g

On a slightly different thought, my wife had been previously married, and
had left her ex because of some extra-curricular activities on his part.

Now, when I screw up on something (fairly large screw-ups) she is quick to
remind me, saying, (I got rid of one, already. *I can do it again, just as
easily) This, with a smile on her face.

I think (hope) she is joking on that one, too! g
--
Jim in NC

Being introduced as "My present husband" keeps one's role in context,
doesn't it?

"a" wrote
Being introduced as "My present husband" keeps one's role in context,
doesn't it?
*********************
Ouch!!!
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"a" wrote
Being introduced as "My present husband" keeps one's role in context,
doesn't it?
*********************
Ouch!!!
--
Jim in NC

My wife and I ran a disaster office for the Republic of the Marshall Islands
and she started the office while I was still employed by the US Army at
Kwajalein. When my retirement came thru, only 2 weeks after my wife opened
the disaster office, I came down and was introduced by the Chief Secretary
of the Republic to the President of the Marshall Islands as: "Mr. Kathy
Fields".

Still tickles me...

On Aug 24, 7:26*pm, "Stu Fields" wrote:
"Morgans" wrote in message

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"a" wrote
Being introduced as "My present husband" keeps one's role in context,
doesn't it?
*********************
Ouch!!!
--
Jim in NC

My wife and I ran a disaster office for the Republic of the Marshall Islands
and she started the office while I was still employed by the US Army at
Kwajalein. *When my retirement came thru, only 2 weeks after my wife opened
the disaster office, I came down and was introduced by the Chief Secretary
of the Republic to the President of the Marshall Islands as: * "Mr. Kathy
Fields".

Still tickles me...

You may have heard that old joke of two men talking with each other,
and one was trying to remember a restaurant's name and just couldn't
recover it. He asked his buddy "Hey, what's the name of that flower
that smells good but has thorns?" His friend responded "Do you mean
roses?" "Yeah, that's it." He turned and shouted to his wife "Hey
Rose, do you remember. . .".

It's been a long recovery but he's OK now, except for the limp.