Future Club Training Gliders

On Sep 18, 7:23*pm, "
wrote:

IMHO......a nose dragger glider should be landed with "low
energy" *(slow airspeed), but not so slow that the tail touches first
(too slow)......The nose skid/ wheel should be held off the ground
during the ground taxi, as long as elevator authority allows......when
the nose finally drops, the ground speed is very slow........

Same technique works for 2-33, 1-26, *ASK-21, Grob 103......

This is far different from a "wheel type landing" and far different
form "flying the glider on"

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Agree on most, but disagree on K-21s and G-103s - their nose wheel is
not the same as a nose skid, and they should be landed tail and main
simultaneously, just like a taildragger. Reason? Look at the
achievable angle of attack in the taildown attitude, between a 2-33
and a G-103. Tail low in a 2-33 is a significant angle of attack,
nice and slow, but with the tailwheel still well off the ground. Tail
low in a G-103, with the tailwheel not touching the gound, is going to
be really fast!

Kirk

On Sep 19, 12:13*pm, "kirk.stant" wrote:
On Sep 18, 7:23*pm, "

wrote:
IMHO......a nose dragger glider should be landed with "low
energy" *(slow airspeed), but not so slow that the tail touches first
(too slow)......The nose skid/ wheel should be held off the ground
during the ground taxi, as long as elevator authority allows......when
the nose finally drops, the ground speed is very slow........

Same technique works for 2-33, 1-26, *ASK-21, Grob 103......

This is far different from a "wheel type landing" and far different
form "flying the glider on"

Cookie

Agree on most, but disagree on K-21s and G-103s - their nose wheel is
not the same as a nose skid, and they should be landed tail and main
simultaneously, just like a taildragger. *Reason? *Look at the
achievable angle of attack in the taildown attitude, between a 2-33
and a G-103. *Tail low in a 2-33 is a significant angle of attack,
nice and slow, but with the tailwheel still well off the ground. *Tail
low in a G-103, with the tailwheel not touching the gound, is going to
be really fast!

Kirk

Basically I agree...........2-33 tail wheel does not touch first, (in
fact not a t all) but it must be low tail, high nose, low energy.

Grob tail should also be low, but it just can't go as low as a 2-33
due to fuselage shape, so two point touch down is about as low as the
tail can get.....slight tail first touch down is also good, as it is
slower yet.........

But touching the tail first in a grob, with considerable sink rate
results in the following....

Tail touches, main touches, forward fof main CG pushes nose wheel down
and touches............

This is what I call landing in a heap.........see it all the
time............

Bottom line...........2-33 is landed low energy..........Grob is
landed low energy..........

Properly trained and practiced 2-33 pilot can land a grob
nicely.........

Poorly trained, bad habit 2-33 pilot cannot land a grob nicely (nor
the 2-33)
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