How high can you fly?

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:25Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 1:18Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 11:44Â*am, wrote:
george wrote:

I think the 'electric' powered aircraft is little more than a toy.
Seehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWoLsJz8J5U

Compared to a real airplane...

AIRPLANE:

Â*snip factual definition of airplane

I think everyone but you knows what I mean.

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Jim Pennino

An airplane is an airplane.

I consider many "real airplanes" to be fragile with their cloth
wings

Clueless.

--
Jim Pennino

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

I feel strange a mile up in
anything I can stick my finger through. My first trainer
was a J - 3 antique.

It would take very close to the same abuse to stick your finger through
a fabric airplane as it would to do the same to the Apollo spacecraft.

I also feel weird about buying something made 60 years
ago. Maybe there's something unseen.

Not likely if it hasn't shown up in 60 years.

Does the phrase "annual inspection" mean anything to you?


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 20, 7:13*pm, wrote:

Clueless.

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Jim Pennino

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

I feel strange a mile up in
anything I can stick my finger through. My first trainer
was a J - 3 antique.

It would take very close to the same abuse to stick your finger through
a fabric airplane as it would to do the same to the Apollo spacecraft.

I also feel strange flying Apollo spacecraft. So?

I also feel weird about buying something made 60 years
ago. *Maybe there's something unseen.

Not likely if it hasn't shown up in 60 years.

Does the phrase, "metal fatigue" mean anything to you?

Does the phrase "annual inspection" mean anything to you?

Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

---
Mark


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Jim Pennino

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:13Â*pm, wrote:

Clueless.

--
Jim Pennino

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

Your last one.

snip nonsense

Does the phrase, "metal fatigue" mean anything to you?

Does the phrase "annual inspection" mean anything to you?

Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.

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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 20, 8:11*pm, wrote:

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

Your last one.

See corroberrating link which proves otherwise.


Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.

--
Jim Pennino

Ok. I'm listening.

You're saying an annual inspection of an antique plane
can verifiably determine all inner structures, cables, pulleys
(or push rods ) struts, etc. won't fail? (I'm not arguing here)

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Mark

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:11Â*pm, wrote:

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

Your last one.

See corroberrating link which proves otherwise.

Gibberish.

Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.

--
Jim Pennino

Ok. I'm listening.

You're saying an annual inspection of an antique plane
can verifiably determine all inner structures, cables, pulleys
(or push rods ) struts, etc. won't fail? (I'm not arguing here)

Well, for starters, things like cables and pulleys have to have inspection
plates just so you can inspect them.

And in the cases where there is no inspection plate and "something bad" is
subsequently discovered, there is usually an AD issued to add inspection
plates or some other method of inspection.

Fabric airplanes have limited fabric life and tests for the integrity of
the fabric.

When tge fabric is replaced, the structure is (supposed to be) inspected for,
as appropriate, corrosion or rot. You did know many of those "antique"
airplanes have wood structures?

Also, there are high tech things like magnaflux inspection for starters.

Tell the truth; have you ever actually been on a GA airport?


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 20, 9:11*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:11*pm, wrote:

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

Your last one.

See corroberrating link which proves otherwise.

Gibberish.

Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.

--
Jim Pennino

Ok. I'm listening.

You're saying an annual inspection of an antique plane
can verifiably determine all inner structures, cables, pulleys
(or push rods ) struts, etc. won't fail? (I'm not arguing here)

Well, for starters, things like cables and pulleys have to have inspection
plates just so you can inspect them.

I realize this. I fly Cessna airplanes, and am well aware
of where these access areas are.

And in the cases where there is no inspection plate and "something bad" is
subsequently discovered, there is usually an AD issued to add inspection
plates or some other method of inspection.

See, that doesn't help when I'm dead.

I'm thinking about the Ercoupe here, as an example.

Fabric airplanes have limited fabric life and tests for the integrity of
the fabric.

I already know that.

Look, I've read newsclips of planes breaking apart with fatalities.
Rotting fabric isn't what I had in mind.

When tge fabric is replaced, the structure is (supposed to be) inspected for,
as appropriate, corrosion or rot. You did know many of those "antique"
airplanes have wood structures?

Yes. New homebuilts have wood as well.

Also, there are high tech things like magnaflux inspection for starters.

Ok, finally, you're telling me something I'm not familiar with.

Tell the truth; have you ever actually been on a GA airport?

Come on Jim, stop being such an ass. I belong to a flight
school. I've recounted here in this forum one of my flights
not so long ago where I brought my plane down several
thousand feet in a simulated power out, and specified the
procedures I took, as by the book. Then there was an
incident. My CFI neglected to instruct me to clear the
engine. (yes, I'm very inexperienced) As I set up pattern
over a field, and approached an emergency final, the
motor began to sputter and choke out. Blocking out all
else I continued to fly the plane in descent. Somehow
my CFI cleared the engine and I flew us out of there.
(yes I had on carb heat during descent)

So you see, I'm a newbee in the cockpit. But I have a
vast knowledge in other areas of aviation. And I have
flown tail draggers as well. ( i already told you, the J-3)

I'm in this group to learn, and discuss. Not be insulted.
You (if *you* aren't a phony) have far more experience
than I. On the other hand, I'm smarter than you are.(lol)
So we can help one another, and have a little fun too.

---
Mark


--
Jim Pennino

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 9:11Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:11Â*pm, wrote:

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

Your last one.

See corroberrating link which proves otherwise.

Gibberish.

Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.

--
Jim Pennino

Ok. I'm listening.

You're saying an annual inspection of an antique plane
can verifiably determine all inner structures, cables, pulleys
(or push rods ) struts, etc. won't fail? (I'm not arguing here)

Well, for starters, things like cables and pulleys have to have inspection
plates just so you can inspect them.

I realize this. I fly Cessna airplanes, and am well aware
of where these access areas are.

Then why ask the question?

And in the cases where there is no inspection plate and "something bad" is
subsequently discovered, there is usually an AD issued to add inspection
plates or some other method of inspection.

See, that doesn't help when I'm dead.

I'm thinking about the Ercoupe here, as an example.

No Ercoupes fell out ot the sky before the AD to add inspection plates.

Fabric airplanes have limited fabric life and tests for the integrity of
the fabric.

I already know that.

Then why ask the question?

Look, I've read newsclips of planes breaking apart with fatalities.
Rotting fabric isn't what I had in mind.

Bull****.

GA airplanes don't break apart unless the pilot does something really
stupid that exceeds design limits.

When tge fabric is replaced, the structure is (supposed to be) inspected for,
as appropriate, corrosion or rot. You did know many of those "antique"
airplanes have wood structures?

Yes. New homebuilts have wood as well.

Also, there are high tech things like magnaflux inspection for starters.

Ok, finally, you're telling me something I'm not familiar with.

Tell the truth; have you ever actually been on a GA airport?

Come on Jim, stop being such an ass. I belong to a flight
school.

Lord help us all.

So you see, I'm a newbee in the cockpit

Obviuosly.

vast knowledge in other areas of aviation. And I have

Not in evidence.


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Jim Pennino

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:13:20 -0000, wrote:

I think everyone but you knows what I mean.

--
Jim Pennino

An airplane is an airplane.

I consider many "real airplanes" to be fragile with their cloth
wings

Clueless.

--
Jim Pennino

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

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