How high can you fly?

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:00Â*pm, wrote:
george wrote:
On Sep 21, 3:44Â*am, wrote:
george wrote:

I think the 'electric' powered aircraft is little more than a toy.
Seehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWoLsJz8J5U

Compared to a real airplane, yes.

There may be some niche applications, like unmanned surveillance, where they
might be useful but they are terribly fragile.

And a range of 90 minutes....
That's barely enough to start a crosscountry.
If you want a fun machine that goes places cheaply
The Bantam B22 Microlight has a 4 hour range at 60+ knots.

I was referring to the unmanned research things that stay up for days, mostly
because they are little more than gliders covered with solar cells with an
electric motor.

Correct. Those are aeronautical physics experiments.

They are unmanned to set records in duration and elevation.

No they are unmanned because they would have to be many times bigger to
carry the weight of a person.

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On Sep 20, 7:15*pm, wrote:

Correct. Those are aeronautical physics experiments.

They are unmanned to set records in duration and elevation.

No they are unmanned because they would have to be many times bigger to
carry the weight of a person.

No they are unmanned because they didn't want to make
them large enough to carry a man.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/n...ios/index.html

Keep trying. Even a blind pig gets an acorn once in a while.

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Mark

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On Sep 20, 7:52*pm, Mark wrote:

They are unmanned to set records in duration and elevation.

No they are unmanned because they would have to be many times bigger to
carry the weight of a person.

No they are unmanned because they didn't want to make
them large enough to carry a man.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/n...ios/index.html

Keep trying. Even a blind pig gets an acorn once in a while.

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Mark

I AM WRONG! They aren't unmanned because they didn't want
to make them large enough to carry a man.

I AM RIGHT! See my first answer. They are unmanned because
they wanted to set endurance and elevation records.

My mistake was in thinking I was wrong.

Like you.

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Mark

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:15Â*pm, wrote:

Correct. Those are aeronautical physics experiments.

They are unmanned to set records in duration and elevation.

No they are unmanned because they would have to be many times bigger to
carry the weight of a person.

No they are unmanned because they didn't want to make
them large enough to carry a man.

Having comprehension problems?

If you want to be 100% anal-retentively correct, there was never any plan
for them to be other than unmanned, so they were designed to be just big
enough to be able to fly with what's in them.

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On Sep 20, 8:17*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:15*pm, wrote:

Correct. Those are aeronautical physics experiments.

They are unmanned to set records in duration and elevation.

No they are unmanned because they would have to be many times bigger to
carry the weight of a person.

No they are unmanned because they didn't want to make
them large enough to carry a man.

Having comprehension problems?

No I am not. You are!

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... there was never any plan
for them to be other than unmanned, so they were designed to be just big
enough to be able to fly with what's in them.

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Jim Pennino

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong

If you study the development of the design and it's mission
statement, you will see that these things are designed to
carry nearly an 800lb payload. Further study will explain
what that payload consists of, and what it will be used for.

No acorn for you.

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Mark

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:17Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:15Â*pm, wrote:

Correct. Those are aeronautical physics experiments.

They are unmanned to set records in duration and elevation.

No they are unmanned because they would have to be many times bigger to
carry the weight of a person.

No they are unmanned because they didn't want to make
them large enough to carry a man.

Having comprehension problems?

No I am not. You are!

gibberish snipped

... there was never any plan
for them to be other than unmanned, so they were designed to be just big
enough to be able to fly with what's in them.

--
Jim Pennino

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong

If you study the development of the design and it's mission
statement, you will see that these things are designed to
carry nearly an 800lb payload. Further study will explain
what that payload consists of, and what it will be used for.

No acorn for you.

Actually, the thing was designed to keep researchers employed.

They have otherwise no useful purpose any time in the foreseeable future.

They are too fragile to survive in the real world and too slow to be useful
for surveillance as they can't keep up with winds aloft.


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 20, 7:15*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:00*pm, wrote:
george wrote:
On Sep 21, 3:44*am, wrote:
george wrote:

I think the 'electric' powered aircraft is little more than a toy..
Seehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWoLsJz8J5U

Compared to a real airplane, yes.

There may be some niche applications, like unmanned surveillance, where they
might be useful but they are terribly fragile.

And a range of 90 minutes....
That's barely enough to start a crosscountry.
If you want a fun machine that goes places cheaply
The Bantam B22 Microlight has a 4 hour range at 60+ knots.

I was referring to the unmanned research things that stay up for days, mostly
because they are little more than gliders covered with solar cells with an
electric motor.

Correct. Those are aeronautical physics experiments.

They are unmanned to set records in duration and elevation.

No they are unmanned because they would have to be many times bigger to
carry the weight of a person.

--
Jim Pennino

Actually you could carry 2 or 3 people. They are unmanned to set
records in duration and elevation.

"Payload: Up to 726 lb., including ballast, instrumentation,
experiments and a supplemental electrical energy system..."

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Mark

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/n...ios/index.html

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:15Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:00Â*pm, wrote:
george wrote:
On Sep 21, 3:44Â*am, wrote:
george wrote:

I think the 'electric' powered aircraft is little more than a toy.
Seehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWoLsJz8J5U

Compared to a real airplane, yes.

There may be some niche applications, like unmanned surveillance, where they
might be useful but they are terribly fragile.

And a range of 90 minutes....
That's barely enough to start a crosscountry.
If you want a fun machine that goes places cheaply
The Bantam B22 Microlight has a 4 hour range at 60+ knots.

I was referring to the unmanned research things that stay up for days, mostly
because they are little more than gliders covered with solar cells with an
electric motor.

Correct. Those are aeronautical physics experiments.

They are unmanned to set records in duration and elevation.

No they are unmanned because they would have to be many times bigger to
carry the weight of a person.

--
Jim Pennino

Actually you could carry 2 or 3 people. They are unmanned to set
records in duration and elevation.

Where would you put them, strapped across the wing?

"Payload: Up to 726 lb., including ballast, instrumentation,
experiments and a supplemental electrical energy system..."

Or in other words, it was already full of junk.

BTW, this text isn't in your link.


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On Sep 20, 8:42*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:15*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:00*pm, wrote:
george wrote:
On Sep 21, 3:44*am, wrote:
george wrote:

I think the 'electric' powered aircraft is little more than a toy.
Seehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWoLsJz8J5U

Compared to a real airplane, yes.

There may be some niche applications, like unmanned surveillance, where they
might be useful but they are terribly fragile.

And a range of 90 minutes....
That's barely enough to start a crosscountry.
If you want a fun machine that goes places cheaply
The Bantam B22 Microlight has a 4 hour range at 60+ knots.

I was referring to the unmanned research things that stay up for days, mostly
because they are little more than gliders covered with solar cells with an
electric motor.

Correct. Those are aeronautical physics experiments.

They are unmanned to set records in duration and elevation.

No they are unmanned because they would have to be many times bigger to
carry the weight of a person.

--
Jim Pennino

Actually you could carry 2 or 3 people. They are unmanned to set
records in duration and elevation.

Where would you put them, strapped across the wing?

Well, since there's sufficient lift to carry them, you would
design accomodations. But they didn't build them to carry
people. They were trying to set records in endurance and
elevation, within the criteria of the original mission statement
which sought to display it's applications in mapping, etc.

"Payload: Up to 726 lb., including ballast, instrumentation,
experiments and a supplemental electrical energy system..."

Or in other words, it was already full of junk.

There is sufficient lift to carry 3 really fat chicks. But
they were trying to set records in endurance and
elevation, plus market it's applications.

BTW, this text isn't in your link.

Yesterday you called me stupid for not backtracking a site
to another site that wasn't even linked.

In this case, the text is on the *same* website I
just gave you. It's in the specification area. (Hint,
ya gotta click the little prompt icon).

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Mark


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Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:42Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:15Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:00Â*pm, wrote:
george wrote:
On Sep 21, 3:44Â*am, wrote:
george wrote:

I think the 'electric' powered aircraft is little more than a toy.
Seehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWoLsJz8J5U

Compared to a real airplane, yes.

There may be some niche applications, like unmanned surveillance, where they
might be useful but they are terribly fragile.

And a range of 90 minutes....
That's barely enough to start a crosscountry.
If you want a fun machine that goes places cheaply
The Bantam B22 Microlight has a 4 hour range at 60+ knots.

I was referring to the unmanned research things that stay up for days, mostly
because they are little more than gliders covered with solar cells with an
electric motor.

Correct. Those are aeronautical physics experiments.

They are unmanned to set records in duration and elevation.

No they are unmanned because they would have to be many times bigger to
carry the weight of a person.

--
Jim Pennino

Actually you could carry 2 or 3 people. They are unmanned to set
records in duration and elevation.

Where would you put them, strapped across the wing?

Well, since there's sufficient lift to carry them, you would
design accomodations. But they didn't build them to carry
people. They were trying to set records in endurance and
elevation, within the criteria of the original mission statement
which sought to display it's applications in mapping, etc.

Nope, they built them to keep researchers employed.

They serve no other purpose.

As a UAV they are a dud.



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Jim Pennino

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