How high can you fly?

On Sep 20, 7:13*pm, wrote:

Clueless.

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Jim Pennino

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

I feel strange a mile up in
anything I can stick my finger through. My first trainer
was a J - 3 antique.

It would take very close to the same abuse to stick your finger through
a fabric airplane as it would to do the same to the Apollo spacecraft.

I also feel strange flying Apollo spacecraft. So?

I also feel weird about buying something made 60 years
ago. *Maybe there's something unseen.

Not likely if it hasn't shown up in 60 years.

Does the phrase, "metal fatigue" mean anything to you?

Does the phrase "annual inspection" mean anything to you?

Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

---
Mark


--
Jim Pennino

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:13Â*pm, wrote:

Clueless.

--
Jim Pennino

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

Your last one.

snip nonsense

Does the phrase, "metal fatigue" mean anything to you?

Does the phrase "annual inspection" mean anything to you?

Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.

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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 20, 8:11*pm, wrote:

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

Your last one.

See corroberrating link which proves otherwise.


Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.

--
Jim Pennino

Ok. I'm listening.

You're saying an annual inspection of an antique plane
can verifiably determine all inner structures, cables, pulleys
(or push rods ) struts, etc. won't fail? (I'm not arguing here)

---
Mark

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:11Â*pm, wrote:

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

Your last one.

See corroberrating link which proves otherwise.

Gibberish.

Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.

--
Jim Pennino

Ok. I'm listening.

You're saying an annual inspection of an antique plane
can verifiably determine all inner structures, cables, pulleys
(or push rods ) struts, etc. won't fail? (I'm not arguing here)

Well, for starters, things like cables and pulleys have to have inspection
plates just so you can inspect them.

And in the cases where there is no inspection plate and "something bad" is
subsequently discovered, there is usually an AD issued to add inspection
plates or some other method of inspection.

Fabric airplanes have limited fabric life and tests for the integrity of
the fabric.

When tge fabric is replaced, the structure is (supposed to be) inspected for,
as appropriate, corrosion or rot. You did know many of those "antique"
airplanes have wood structures?

Also, there are high tech things like magnaflux inspection for starters.

Tell the truth; have you ever actually been on a GA airport?


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 20, 9:11*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:11*pm, wrote:

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

Your last one.

See corroberrating link which proves otherwise.

Gibberish.

Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.

--
Jim Pennino

Ok. I'm listening.

You're saying an annual inspection of an antique plane
can verifiably determine all inner structures, cables, pulleys
(or push rods ) struts, etc. won't fail? (I'm not arguing here)

Well, for starters, things like cables and pulleys have to have inspection
plates just so you can inspect them.

I realize this. I fly Cessna airplanes, and am well aware
of where these access areas are.

And in the cases where there is no inspection plate and "something bad" is
subsequently discovered, there is usually an AD issued to add inspection
plates or some other method of inspection.

See, that doesn't help when I'm dead.

I'm thinking about the Ercoupe here, as an example.

Fabric airplanes have limited fabric life and tests for the integrity of
the fabric.

I already know that.

Look, I've read newsclips of planes breaking apart with fatalities.
Rotting fabric isn't what I had in mind.

When tge fabric is replaced, the structure is (supposed to be) inspected for,
as appropriate, corrosion or rot. You did know many of those "antique"
airplanes have wood structures?

Yes. New homebuilts have wood as well.

Also, there are high tech things like magnaflux inspection for starters.

Ok, finally, you're telling me something I'm not familiar with.

Tell the truth; have you ever actually been on a GA airport?

Come on Jim, stop being such an ass. I belong to a flight
school. I've recounted here in this forum one of my flights
not so long ago where I brought my plane down several
thousand feet in a simulated power out, and specified the
procedures I took, as by the book. Then there was an
incident. My CFI neglected to instruct me to clear the
engine. (yes, I'm very inexperienced) As I set up pattern
over a field, and approached an emergency final, the
motor began to sputter and choke out. Blocking out all
else I continued to fly the plane in descent. Somehow
my CFI cleared the engine and I flew us out of there.
(yes I had on carb heat during descent)

So you see, I'm a newbee in the cockpit. But I have a
vast knowledge in other areas of aviation. And I have
flown tail draggers as well. ( i already told you, the J-3)

I'm in this group to learn, and discuss. Not be insulted.
You (if *you* aren't a phony) have far more experience
than I. On the other hand, I'm smarter than you are.(lol)
So we can help one another, and have a little fun too.

---
Mark


--
Jim Pennino

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 9:11Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:11Â*pm, wrote:

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

Your last one.

See corroberrating link which proves otherwise.

Gibberish.

Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.

--
Jim Pennino

Ok. I'm listening.

You're saying an annual inspection of an antique plane
can verifiably determine all inner structures, cables, pulleys
(or push rods ) struts, etc. won't fail? (I'm not arguing here)

Well, for starters, things like cables and pulleys have to have inspection
plates just so you can inspect them.

I realize this. I fly Cessna airplanes, and am well aware
of where these access areas are.

Then why ask the question?

And in the cases where there is no inspection plate and "something bad" is
subsequently discovered, there is usually an AD issued to add inspection
plates or some other method of inspection.

See, that doesn't help when I'm dead.

I'm thinking about the Ercoupe here, as an example.

No Ercoupes fell out ot the sky before the AD to add inspection plates.

Fabric airplanes have limited fabric life and tests for the integrity of
the fabric.

I already know that.

Then why ask the question?

Look, I've read newsclips of planes breaking apart with fatalities.
Rotting fabric isn't what I had in mind.

Bull****.

GA airplanes don't break apart unless the pilot does something really
stupid that exceeds design limits.

When tge fabric is replaced, the structure is (supposed to be) inspected for,
as appropriate, corrosion or rot. You did know many of those "antique"
airplanes have wood structures?

Yes. New homebuilts have wood as well.

Also, there are high tech things like magnaflux inspection for starters.

Ok, finally, you're telling me something I'm not familiar with.

Tell the truth; have you ever actually been on a GA airport?

Come on Jim, stop being such an ass. I belong to a flight
school.

Lord help us all.

So you see, I'm a newbee in the cockpit

Obviuosly.

vast knowledge in other areas of aviation. And I have

Not in evidence.


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Jim Pennino

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:14:25 -0000, wrote:

Come on Jim, stop being such an ass. I belong to a flight
school.

Lord help us all.

AAAAAAAAAAmen.
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On Sep 21, 12:14*am, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 9:11*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:11*pm, wrote:

No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?

Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.

Cite.

Your last one.

See corroberrating link which proves otherwise.

Gibberish.

Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?

Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.

--
Jim Pennino

Ok. I'm listening.

You're saying an annual inspection of an antique plane
can verifiably determine all inner structures, cables, pulleys
(or push rods ) struts, etc. won't fail? (I'm not arguing here)

Well, for starters, things like cables and pulleys have to have inspection
plates just so you can inspect them.

I realize this. I fly Cessna airplanes, and am well aware
of where these access areas are.

Then why ask the question?

That's different from understanding what may be hidden
on an old metal plane I'm not familiar with.

And in the cases where there is no inspection plate and "something bad" is
subsequently discovered, there is usually an AD issued to add inspection
plates or some other method of inspection.

See, that doesn't help when I'm dead.

I'm thinking about the Ercoupe here, as an example.

No Ercoupes fell out ot the sky before the AD to add inspection plates.

I've not checked the accident statistics, but ok. And you're
willing to bank your life on inspection plates?

( A little aside here, I posed this same question one frosty morning
to my CFI during my preflight check. While doing the usual
check of control surfaces, their mobility and connections I
asked, "what about the stuff we can't see", and he said,
"during inspections use these access areas here". I asked,
"and what about the areas that aren't visible through those
holes?", and he replied, "Well, ya know, anyone that flys
has to take a chance and assume the rest is in good
condition." That was ok with me, and off I flew.)

Fabric airplanes have limited fabric life and tests for the integrity of
the fabric.

I already know that.

Then why ask the question?

Frankly I was referring to the old metal planes, but I'm
glad you've mentioned this point. See, what it is, there have
been several people offer me good deals on some old
planes but I've shyed away, because they are old.

Look, I've read newsclips of planes breaking apart with fatalities.
Rotting fabric isn't what I had in mind.

Bull****.

Whadda ya mean bull****? I may be a lot of things, but
a liar isn't one of them. One particular crash which comes
to mind was a businessman in Florida. So don't tell me
bulll**** unless you've read and memorized every single
Faa accident report. His plane broke up in mid-air. It was
some guy very popular.

GA airplanes don't break apart unless the pilot does something really
stupid that exceeds design limits.

Or he bought a kit plane off someone, or he built it himself
and screwed up the epoxy, or...etc.

When tge fabric is replaced, the structure is (supposed to be) inspected for,
as appropriate, corrosion or rot. You did know many of those "antique"
airplanes have wood structures?

Yes. New homebuilts have wood as well.

Also, there are high tech things like magnaflux inspection for starters.

Ok, finally, you're telling me something I'm not familiar with.

Tell the truth; have you ever actually been on a GA airport?

Come on Jim, stop being such an ass. I belong to a flight
school.

Lord help us all.

Agreed.

So you see, I'm a newbee in the cockpit

Obviuosly.

Hey, I'm not ashamed of that. You ( if you really fly) were
too once. We all gotta start somewhere. And for the record,
I get a lot of compliments on my flying.

I'm a natural.

vast knowledge in other areas of aviation. And I have

Not in evidence.

Yes, once again I agree. We've not discussed these areas
here. But I've corrected you a time or two.

---
Mark

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Jim Pennino