How high can you fly?

On Sep 20, 9:17*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:42*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:15*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:00*pm, wrote:
george wrote:
On Sep 21, 3:44*am, wrote:
george wrote:

I think the 'electric' powered aircraft is little more than a toy.
Seehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWoLsJz8J5U

Compared to a real airplane, yes.

There may be some niche applications, like unmanned surveillance, where they
might be useful but they are terribly fragile.

And a range of 90 minutes....
That's barely enough to start a crosscountry.
If you want a fun machine that goes places cheaply
The Bantam B22 Microlight has a 4 hour range at 60+ knots.

I was referring to the unmanned research things that stay up for days, mostly
because they are little more than gliders covered with solar cells with an
electric motor.

Correct. Those are aeronautical physics experiments.

They are unmanned to set records in duration and elevation.

No they are unmanned because they would have to be many times bigger to
carry the weight of a person.

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Jim Pennino

Actually you could carry 2 or 3 people. They are unmanned to set
records in duration and elevation.

Where would you put them, strapped across the wing?

Well, since there's sufficient lift to carry them, you would
design accomodations. But they didn't build them to carry
people. They were trying to set records in endurance and
elevation, within the criteria of the original mission statement
which sought to display it's applications in mapping, etc.

Nope, they built them to keep researchers employed.

Surrre they did, because obviously researchers cannot
find work, and no one really wanted to accomplish these
world records. LOL!

They serve no other purpose.

It's called science. It works like building blocks. You
work your way up but not with little wooden squares,
but knowledge through discovery.

As a UAV they are a dud.

I can't comment until further study. Form follows
function. This should tell you something.

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Mark

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Jim Pennino

Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 9:17Â*pm, wrote:

Nope, they built them to keep researchers employed.

Surrre they did, because obviously researchers cannot
find work, and no one really wanted to accomplish these
world records. LOL!

Nope, as a matter of fact, you can't find work in research unless it is in
a politically correct area, or has a politically correct tie in these days.

Why do you think they hyped all the crap about hydrogen?

They serve no other purpose.

It's called science. It works like building blocks. You
work your way up but not with little wooden squares,
but knowledge through discovery.

There was little to no science involved, just some engineering.

Bolt A to B, fly it, more study, i.e. money, needed.

As a UAV they are a dud.

I can't comment until further study. Form follows
function. This should tell you something.

Try looking at real, working UAV's.

They aren't electric.


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 21, 12:19*am, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 9:17*pm, wrote:
Nope, they built them to keep researchers employed.

Surrre they did, because obviously researchers cannot
find work, and no one really wanted to accomplish these
world records. LOL!

Nope, as a matter of fact, you can't find work in research unless it is in
a politically correct area, or has a politically correct tie in these days.

Does the word, "medicine" mean anything to you?
Does the word, "military" mean anything to you?
Does the acronym "NASA" mean anything to you?

Why do you think they hyped all the crap about hydrogen?

HELLO! Hydrogen will play a huge part of our future.
Or did my post on this application to turbine fans escape you?

Also,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bo...trator_AB1.JPG

They serve no other purpose.

It's called science. It works like building blocks. You
work your way up but not with little wooden squares,
but knowledge through discovery.

There was little to no science involved, just some engineering.

Bull****

Bolt A to B, fly it, more study, i.e. money, needed.

So cynical.

As a UAV they are a dud.

I can't comment until further study. Form follows
function. This should tell you something.

Try looking at real, working UAV's.

Know all about them. Apples and oranges here.
No one intends to put hellfire missles on them.

( awesome video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zg2A...eature=related

They aren't electric.

a. electric: evolving technology
b. the military will use what works best when it's
available. then they will overpay to their friends.

I am one of them.

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Mark

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Jim Pennino

Mark wrote:
On Sep 21, 12:19Â*am, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 9:17Â*pm, wrote:
Nope, they built them to keep researchers employed.

Surrre they did, because obviously researchers cannot
find work, and no one really wanted to accomplish these
world records. LOL!

Nope, as a matter of fact, you can't find work in research unless it is in
a politically correct area, or has a politically correct tie in these days.

Does the word, "medicine" mean anything to you?
Does the word, "military" mean anything to you?
Does the acronym "NASA" mean anything to you?

Both NASA and military research spending are way down and have been that
way for a decade or so.

Why do you think they hyped all the crap about hydrogen?

HELLO! Hydrogen will play a huge part of our future.
Or did my post on this application to turbine fans escape you?

Nonsense.

Hydrogen has far too many practical problems to ever be useful as a general
purpose fuel like diesel even if you could get the cost down to something
realistic.

Also,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bo...trator_AB1.JPG

They serve no other purpose.

It's called science. It works like building blocks. You
work your way up but not with little wooden squares,
but knowledge through discovery.

There was little to no science involved, just some engineering.

Bull****

If there was science involved, then some new basic principal must have been
discovered. What was it?

Or is it that you don't believe in engineering?

Bolt A to B, fly it, more study, i.e. money, needed.

So cynical.

So true.

As a UAV they are a dud.

I can't comment until further study. Form follows
function. This should tell you something.

Try looking at real, working UAV's.

Know all about them. Apples and oranges here.
No one intends to put hellfire missles on them.

The vast majority of UAV aren't armed, so I guess you don't really "Know
all about them."

a. electric: evolving technology

A very mature technology.


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 21, 12:19*am, wrote:

Nope, as a matter of fact, you can't find work in research unless it is in
a politically correct area, or has a politically correct tie in these days.

Why do you think they hyped all the crap about hydrogen?

ITYM ethanol. You know, corn...Iowa...Iowa caucus...elections.

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Jim Pennino

On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:51:36 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

I can't comment until further study. Form follows
function. This should tell you something.

It tells me that you claims to be an "wealthy, accomplished abstract
artist" are as full of **** as you are.
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On Sep 21, 12:54*am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:51:36 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
I can't comment until further study. Form follows
function. This should tell you something.

It tells me that you claims to be an "wealthy, accomplished abstract
artist" are as full of **** as you are.
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Motto: Live To Spooge It!

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"WARNING: Using a fake name, Ari's premise is simple... "a lie is
as good as the truth if he can get someone to believe it." But
heed this warning; he has tried all of this before. Just look
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ugliness. Yet, this time it is much worse. Out to undermine these
newsgroups to the point that seemingly he alone appears to be the
only authority on just about everything, and/or pretends he is trying
to
warn us of others, he not only fabricates all he says, but does much
of it
by stealing the identity of many others, including yours truly, as the
means
to this end (if a posting seems out of character or obscene, be sure
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