Future Club Training Gliders

"Derek C" wrote in message
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Lasham bought a couple of DG1000s as all round trainers. However in
practice they are mostly only used for advanced cross-country
training. From a basic instructional point of view they are too
complicated (tail weights etc), too difficult to get in and out of,
and have awful ground handling (we have the 2 wheel version - the tail
weights a ton). They spin rather too well and lose a lot of height in
the process. We also have a couple of K21s which are great general
purpose gliders, but as basic trainers they are, if anything, too
docile and easy to fly, and won't spin with a normal weight male
student in the front seat. We still use ancient although slightly
updated K13s for most basic training. They do everything tolerably
well, although more performance would be nice.

I had the good fortune to get a bimble to Chievley and back last year in the
turbo one. Ground handling is fine with the tail dolly on, but one of the
dollys was defective so we had to go to the launch point to get the one that
was OK. The tail is no heavier than my glider, and if you sit someone on
the cockpit rail lifting it to get the dolly on is pretty easy.

I agree it's difficult to get into, especially for the short of leg, and
there is the danger of falling into the canopy which of course would
probably do a lot of damage. All that needs is one of those plastic steps.
That high wheel (assuming it doesn't collapse!) must be a great asset for a
field landing if the stuff in the field isn't ideally short.

We didn't spin it, nor did it feel anywhere near spinning at reasonable XC
and thermalling speeds - unless it doesn't have a pre-stall buffet.

Tail weights are IMHO a big improvement over water - for one thing no
problem if it's going to be sub-zero - for another they are quicker to
change than pouring water in or extracting it from a 500/505.

I found the DG1000 was easy to fly and very easy to land - it has massively
powerful airbrakes and wheel brake, there was no problem landing it in a
small area from a position that was really too high and too close.

However it's never ever going to be a primary trainer, as you wouldn't send
someone for their first solo in it.

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"Derek C" wrote in message
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Lasham bought a couple of DG1000s as all round trainers. However in
practice they are mostly only used for advanced cross-country
training. From a basic instructional point of view they are too
complicated (tail weights etc), too difficult to get in and out of,
and have awful ground handling (we have the 2 wheel version - the tail
weights a ton).

I found the DG1000 was easy to fly and very easy to land - it has massively
powerful airbrakes and wheel brake, there was no problem landing it in a
small area from a position that was really too high and too close.

However it's never ever going to be a primary trainer, as you wouldn't send
someone for their first solo in it.

I knew a couple of ladies who both did all their ab initio training and first/early solo flying in a Janus A. How does it compare to the DG1000 for ease of flying? I have some Janus time but none in the DG

Colin

On Sep 23, 6:15*pm, "Surfer!" wrote:
However it's never ever going to be a primary trainer, as you wouldn't send
someone for their first solo in it.

We've sent a number of people on first solos in our DG1000s in the 3
1/2 years in which they've been our only training aircraft!

One of them (at least) even did a fair bit of her training in a
borrowed Blanik for a few months after we'd sold the Grobs and the
DG1000's hadn't arrived yet.

"Bruce Hoult" wrote in message
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On Sep 23, 6:15 pm, "Surfer!" wrote:
However it's never ever going to be a primary trainer, as you wouldn't
send
someone for their first solo in it.

We've sent a number of people on first solos in our DG1000s in the 3
1/2 years in which they've been our only training aircraft!

If they are your only training aircraft you don't have much choice! I
gather from your later post these are the club version with fixed u/c rather
than the version that Lasham have.



One of them (at least) even did a fair bit of her training in a
borrowed Blanik for a few months after we'd sold the Grobs and the
DG1000's hadn't arrived yet.

Surfer! wrote:
We didn't spin it, nor did it feel anywhere near spinning at reasonable
XC and thermalling speeds - unless it doesn't have a pre-stall buffet.

It doesn't buffet, it just gets mushy on the controls. But it doesn't
drop a wing by itself unless you stomp the rudder. However if you do,
then it does spin.

Tail weights are IMHO a big improvement over water - for one thing no

You don't need to add any tail ballast for instruction. Adding proper
ballast does improve the handling, but it isn't needed. Personally, I
think it's a fine idea to show the students right from day one that
there is such a thing as a CofG with which you can tinker.

there was no problem landing it in a small area from a position
that was really too high and too close.

One could even argue that it has too powerful airbrakes for primary
instruction. Learning in a DG1000 spoils you for the Duo...

as you wouldn't send someone for their first solo in it.

Why not?