Electric locomotion will replace internal combustion

On Sep 24, 7:16*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:52*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
Huh? *Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. *Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. *I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

They're also having trouble keeping up with demand.

My last count was in excess of 1500 already sold,

And that is world wide.

So far this year, the worlds car makers have put out roughly 38,000,000 cars.

Tesla has managed to capture .004% of the market.

Oh yeah, the crowds are forming to buy these things.

--
Jim Pennino

Let's pretend for a second. I've invented a new HVAC
system for the residental market. It is 2X as efficient
as anything Carrier or anyone else has. But, I've
just started production. You can get one next spring
through you building contractor. It will save people
50% on their heating and cooling. If asked, NO one
says they don't want one.

What will my sales figures look like today?

What about people who want one, but have
no store to purchase it yet.

What about people, like you, just finding out?

What about people who want one, but cannot
afford to rip out their old HVAC system?

Apples to apples.

Your position on e cars is overlooking several key
factors, which invalidates your opinion.

---
Mark

Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:16Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:52Â*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21Â*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
Huh? Â*Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. Â*Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. Â*I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

They're also having trouble keeping up with demand.

My last count was in excess of 1500 already sold,

And that is world wide.

So far this year, the worlds car makers have put out roughly 38,000,000 cars.

Tesla has managed to capture .004% of the market.

Oh yeah, the crowds are forming to buy these things.

--
Jim Pennino

Let's pretend for a second. I've invented a new HVAC
system for the residental market. It is 2X as efficient
as anything Carrier or anyone else has. But, I've
just started production. You can get one next spring
through you building contractor. It will save people
50% on their heating and cooling. If asked, NO one
says they don't want one.

A big unstated factor is the installed price.

Assuming it is cost competive, then people will fall into groups:

Non-buyers:

People that don't want the big capital outlay as long as the current system
is working, i.e. the majority of people.

Buyers:

People who need the existing system replaced, i.e. some small fraction.

People with "needs" that require the system run 24/7, have huge utility
bills, and have the capital to replace the system, i.e. some small fraction.

Wealth enviro-whinners that will buy and pay for anything with a "green"
lable on it, i.e. some small fraction.

If it is not cost competitive, buyer group 1 gets even smaller and
buy something else while group 2 will do an economic analysis of capital
cost versus saved utilities cost.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Sep 24, 8:17*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:16*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:52*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
Huh? *Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. *Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. *I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

They're also having trouble keeping up with demand.

My last count was in excess of 1500 already sold,

And that is world wide.

So far this year, the worlds car makers have put out roughly 38,000,000 cars.

Tesla has managed to capture .004% of the market.

Oh yeah, the crowds are forming to buy these things.

--
Jim Pennino

Let's pretend for a second. I've invented a new HVAC
system for the residental market. It is 2X as efficient
as anything Carrier or anyone else has. *But, I've
just started production. You can get one next spring
through you building contractor. It will save people
50% on their heating and cooling. If asked, NO one
says they don't want one.

A big unstated factor is the installed price.

Good point. The examination of hvac systems to e cars
has an additional unparallel comparison, installation. That
is a one time fee. With e cars, their R & D might be the
unstated factor which the company must recoupe. So,
initally, the prices would be higher for them to make a
profit. Over time...the prices will fall as their R & D
investment is returned.

Assuming it is cost competive, then people will fall into groups:

Non-buyers:

People that don't want the big capital outlay as long as the current system
is working, i.e. the majority of people.

Maybe. But how do the majority of people (in America) fund their
big capital outlays? They finance, and make monthly payments.
What is an electric bill? A monthly payment. Cut your electric
bill in half and now you can afford your new HVAC system. After
4 months you've paid off the installation portion of your investment.
Later you've paid off the entire new system, and freed up monthly
cash.

Buyers:

People who need the existing system replaced, i.e. some small fraction.

But, *everyone* needs this new HVAC system. It's warmer, it's
cooler, it's quieter, it takes up less room, and it has a lifetime
warranty.

People with "needs" that require the system run 24/7, have huge utility
bills, and have the capital to replace the system, i.e. some small fraction.

Ok, this group needs it even worse, and can act immediately.

Wealth enviro-whinners that will buy and pay for anything with a "green"
lable on it, i.e. some small fraction.

Agreed.

If it is not cost competitive, buyer group 1 gets even smaller

But...it cuts your electric/gas bill down from 450/month to
225/month.

and
buy something else while group 2 will do an economic analysis of capital
cost versus saved utilities cost.

Well, in all actuality, what would really occur is that your
building contractor would steer you into the new system, and
infomercials would saturate the media to convince the large
majority of people who make impulse purchases.

thinking

So...you're really a good guy, aren't you? And...you feel an
allegiance to this group and feel like you're pretty good at
running off interloping phonies. If so, that's commendable.
Or, you're a good guy with a gruff personality, kinda loose
with details, but everyone accepts that, because you're a
good guy. You may act like an asshole to me, but I see
through that. That is why I feel so bad about calling you a
pinhead in a post title. Just bear in mind that I'm an
aggressive competetor, not a troll, and no one pushes me
around. If other pilots will post piloting questions and
stories, then I can go back to just lurking.

g Or I might get back on my bicycle at the airport
and ride around with my magic headphones that
pick up alien spacecraft.

---
Mark

--
Jim Pennino

Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 8:17Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:

Let's pretend for a second. I've invented a new HVAC
system for the residental market. It is 2X as efficient
as anything Carrier or anyone else has. Â*But, I've
just started production. You can get one next spring
through you building contractor. It will save people
50% on their heating and cooling. If asked, NO one
says they don't want one.

A big unstated factor is the installed price.

Good point. The examination of hvac systems to e cars
has an additional unparallel comparison, installation. That
is a one time fee. With e cars, their R & D might be the

Babble.

Any new product has R&D costs.

Non-buyers:

People that don't want the big capital outlay as long as the current system
is working, i.e. the majority of people.

Maybe. But how do the majority of people (in America) fund their
big capital outlays? They finance, and make monthly payments.
What is an electric bill? A monthly payment. Cut your electric
bill in half and now you can afford your new HVAC system.

Babble.

Half my average electric bill is about $45, hardly enough to cover the
payment on a new HVAC system.

4 months you've paid off the installation portion of your investment.

Babble.

The installation cost is rolled into the total cost.

People who need the existing system replaced, i.e. some small fraction.

But, *everyone* needs this new HVAC system. It's warmer, it's
cooler, it's quieter, it takes up less room, and it has a lifetime
warranty.

Babble.

The temperature is set by the thermostate, all modern HVAC systems are quiet,
and nobody cares how much room it takes on the roof or the patio.

People with "needs" that require the system run 24/7, have huge utility
bills, and have the capital to replace the system, i.e. some small fraction.

But...it cuts your electric/gas bill down from 450/month to
225/month.

If you have a $450/monthe electric bill, you either live in a mansion or
you are doing something really stupid.

buy something else while group 2 will do an economic analysis of capital
cost versus saved utilities cost.

Well, in all actuality, what would really occur is that your
building contractor would steer you into the new system, and
infomercials would saturate the media to convince the large
majority of people who make impulse purchases.

Babble.

People make impulse purchases of bags of potatoe chips and cookies, not
major appliances.

So...you're really a good guy, aren't you? And...you feel an
allegiance to this group and feel like you're pretty good at
running off interloping phonies. If so, that's commendable.
Or, you're a good guy with a gruff personality, kinda loose
with details, but everyone accepts that, because you're a
good guy. You may act like an asshole to me, but I see
through that. That is why I feel so bad about calling you a
pinhead in a post title. Just bear in mind that I'm an
aggressive competetor, not a troll, and no one pushes me
around. If other pilots will post piloting questions and
stories, then I can go back to just lurking.

Babble.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Sep 25, 10:00*am, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 8:17*pm, wrote:





Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:16*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:52*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
Huh? *Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. *Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. *I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

They're also having trouble keeping up with demand.

My last count was in excess of 1500 already sold,

And that is world wide.

So far this year, the worlds car makers have put out roughly 38,000,000 cars.

Tesla has managed to capture .004% of the market.

Oh yeah, the crowds are forming to buy these things.

--
Jim Pennino

Let's pretend for a second. I've invented a new HVAC
system for the residental market. It is 2X as efficient
as anything Carrier or anyone else has. *But, I've
just started production. You can get one next spring
through you building contractor. It will save people
50% on their heating and cooling. If asked, NO one
says they don't want one.

A big unstated factor is the installed price.

Good point. The examination of hvac systems to e cars
has an additional unparallel comparison, installation. That
is a one time fee. With e cars, their R & D might be the
unstated factor which the company must recoupe. So,
initally, the prices would be higher for them to make a
profit. Over time...the prices will fall as their R & D
investment is returned.

Assuming it is cost competive, then people will fall into groups:

Non-buyers:

People that don't want the big capital outlay as long as the current system
is working, i.e. the majority of people.

Maybe. But how do the majority of people (in America) fund their
big capital outlays? *They finance, and make monthly payments.
What is an electric bill? A monthly payment. Cut your electric
bill in half and now you can afford your new HVAC system. After
4 months you've paid off the installation portion of your investment.
Later you've paid off the entire new system, and freed up monthly
cash.

Buyers:

People who need the existing system replaced, i.e. some small fraction.

But, *everyone* needs this new HVAC system. It's warmer, it's
cooler, it's quieter, it takes up less room, and it has a lifetime
warranty.

People with "needs" that require the system run 24/7, have huge utility
bills, and have the capital to replace the system, i.e. some small fraction.

Ok, this group needs it even worse, and can act immediately.

Wealth enviro-whinners that will buy and pay for anything with a "green"
lable on it, i.e. some small fraction.

Agreed.

If it is not cost competitive, buyer group 1 gets even smaller

But...it cuts your electric/gas bill down from 450/month to
225/month.

and
buy something else while group 2 will do an economic analysis of capital
cost versus saved utilities cost.

Well, in all actuality, what would really occur is that your
building contractor would steer you into the new system, and
infomercials would saturate the media to convince the large
majority of people who make impulse purchases.

thinking

So...you're really a good guy, aren't you? *And...you feel an
allegiance to this group and feel like you're pretty good at
running off interloping phonies. If so, that's commendable.
Or, you're a good guy with a gruff personality, kinda loose
with details, but everyone accepts that, because you're a
good guy. You may act like an asshole to me, but I see
through that. That is why I feel so bad about calling you a
pinhead in a post title. Just bear in mind that I'm an
aggressive competetor, not a troll, and no one pushes me
around. If other pilots will post piloting questions and
stories, then I can go back to just lurking.

g Or I might get back on my bicycle at the airport
* * * *and ride around with my magic headphones that
* * * *pick up alien spacecraft.

---
Mark



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As I was stalking the spamologist Edward,I was intriged with your
thread.The Tesla car could be made to be limitless,if it contained one
of these to charge the battery while in motion!''However the
illuminati has too much to loose to allow production of a replacement
for the internal combustion engine!

The power companies would go out of buisiness and Obama would have to
tear down all those power lines and do away with nuclear facilties as
thats their intended purpose to furnish electricity instead of
building nuclear weapons!

So free energy devices are too much of a threat to big buisiness $$$$$$
$$$$$$

http://www.magniwork.com/?hop=promo15391

On Sep 25, 2:54*pm, joeturn wrote:
On Sep 25, 10:00*am, Mark wrote:





On Sep 24, 8:17*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:16*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:52*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
Huh? *Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. *Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. *I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

They're also having trouble keeping up with demand.

My last count was in excess of 1500 already sold,

And that is world wide.

So far this year, the worlds car makers have put out roughly 38,000,000 cars.

Tesla has managed to capture .004% of the market.

Oh yeah, the crowds are forming to buy these things.

--
Jim Pennino

Let's pretend for a second. I've invented a new HVAC
system for the residental market. It is 2X as efficient
as anything Carrier or anyone else has. *But, I've
just started production. You can get one next spring
through you building contractor. It will save people
50% on their heating and cooling. If asked, NO one
says they don't want one.

A big unstated factor is the installed price.

Good point. The examination of hvac systems to e cars
has an additional unparallel comparison, installation. That
is a one time fee. With e cars, their R & D might be the
unstated factor which the company must recoupe. So,
initally, the prices would be higher for them to make a
profit. Over time...the prices will fall as their R & D
investment is returned.

Assuming it is cost competive, then people will fall into groups:

Non-buyers:

People that don't want the big capital outlay as long as the current system
is working, i.e. the majority of people.

Maybe. But how do the majority of people (in America) fund their
big capital outlays? *They finance, and make monthly payments.
What is an electric bill? A monthly payment. Cut your electric
bill in half and now you can afford your new HVAC system. After
4 months you've paid off the installation portion of your investment.
Later you've paid off the entire new system, and freed up monthly
cash.

Buyers:

People who need the existing system replaced, i.e. some small fraction.

On Sep 25, 5:32*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 25, 2:54*pm, joeturn wrote:





On Sep 25, 10:00*am, Mark wrote:

On Sep 24, 8:17*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:16*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:52*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
Huh? *Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. *Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. *I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

They're also having trouble keeping up with demand.

My last count was in excess of 1500 already sold,

And that is world wide.

So far this year, the worlds car makers have put out roughly 38,000,000 cars.

Tesla has managed to capture .004% of the market.

Oh yeah, the crowds are forming to buy these things.

--
Jim Pennino

Let's pretend for a second. I've invented a new HVAC
system for the residental market. It is 2X as efficient
as anything Carrier or anyone else has. *But, I've
just started production. You can get one next spring
through you building contractor. It will save people
50% on their heating and cooling. If asked, NO one
says they don't want one.

A big unstated factor is the installed price.

Good point. The examination of hvac systems to e cars
has an additional unparallel comparison, installation. That
is a one time fee. With e cars, their R & D might be the
unstated factor which the company must recoupe. So,
initally, the prices would be higher for them to make a
profit. Over time...the prices will fall as their R & D
investment is returned.

Assuming it is cost competive, then people will fall into groups:

Non-buyers:

People that don't want the big capital outlay as long as the current system
is working, i.e. the majority of people.

Maybe. But how do the majority of people (in America) fund their
big capital outlays? *They finance, and make monthly payments.
What is an electric bill? A monthly payment. Cut your electric
bill in half and now you can afford your new HVAC system. After
4 months you've paid off the installation portion of your investment.
Later you've paid off the entire new system, and freed up monthly
cash.

Buyers:

People who need the existing system replaced, i.e. some small fraction.

But, *everyone* needs this new HVAC system. It's warmer, it's
cooler, it's quieter, it takes up less room, and it has a lifetime
warranty.

People with "needs" that require the system run 24/7, have huge utility
bills, and have the capital to replace the system, i.e. some small fraction.

Ok, this group needs it even worse, and can act immediately.

Wealth enviro-whinners that will buy and pay for anything with a "green"
lable on it, i.e. some small fraction.

Agreed.

If it is not cost competitive, buyer group 1 gets even smaller

But...it cuts your electric/gas bill down from 450/month to
225/month.

and
buy something else while group 2 will do an economic analysis of capital
cost versus saved utilities cost.

Well, in all actuality, what would really occur is that your
building contractor would steer you into the new system, and
infomercials would saturate the media to convince the large
majority of people who make impulse purchases.

thinking

So...you're really a good guy, aren't you? *And...you feel an
allegiance to this group and feel like you're pretty good at
running off interloping phonies. If so, that's commendable.
Or, you're a good guy with a gruff personality, kinda loose
with details, but everyone accepts that, because you're a
good guy. You may act like an asshole to me, but I see
through that. That is why I feel so bad about calling you a
pinhead in a post title. Just bear in mind that I'm an
aggressive competetor, not a troll, and no one pushes me
around. If other pilots will post piloting questions and
stories, then I can go back to just lurking.

g Or I might get back on my bicycle at the airport
* * * *and ride around with my magic headphones that
* * * *pick up alien spacecraft.

---
Mark

--
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As I was stalking the spamologist Edward,I was intriged with your
thread.The Tesla car could be made to be limitless,if it contained one
of these to charge the battery while in motion!''However the
illuminati has too much to loose to allow production of a replacement
for the internal combustion engine!

The power companies would go out of buisiness and Obama would have to
tear down all those power lines and do away with nuclear facilties as
thats their intended purpose to furnish electricity instead of
building nuclear weapons!

So free energy devices are too much of a threat to big buisiness $$$$$$
$$$$$$

http://www.magniwork.com/?hop=promo15391-Hide quoted text -

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That machine is an illusion. You cannot violate the law of
thermodynamics. Perpetual motion is impossible.

http://burtleburtle.net/bob/physics/whythere.html

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Ahh, you've disappointed me Mark!

I was sure you would pick up on the fact that free energy was directly
censored out of the equation by big buisiness!

Remember Kaku said physics was off by a factor of 20 after being
proven wrong!

Now you have swallowed the idea that a perpetual motion machine is
imposible!?!?

Now do some digging ole Albert says Energy is equal to mass times the
time constant squared!

This means anything that has motion produces energy!

The electro-magnetic reaction will produce endless motion as a motor.
In reverse tecnology produces power(the generator/alternator).

Now to replace the electro magnets within an alternator/motor with
permanet magnets will cause passing the coil through the magnetic
field will produce Electricity without any power.

Trust me here it is being done! The illusion is censored
tecnology(free energy)I;-)

The second video shows where free energy is!

http://www.magneticgenerator.org/?t=M44p

On Sep 27, 9:56*pm, joeturn wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:32*pm, Mark wrote:





On Sep 25, 2:54*pm, joeturn wrote:

On Sep 25, 10:00*am, Mark wrote:

On Sep 24, 8:17*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:16*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:52*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
Huh? *Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. *Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. *I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

They're also having trouble keeping up with demand.

My last count was in excess of 1500 already sold,

And that is world wide.

So far this year, the worlds car makers have put out roughly 38,000,000 cars.

Tesla has managed to capture .004% of the market.

Oh yeah, the crowds are forming to buy these things.

--
Jim Pennino

Let's pretend for a second. I've invented a new HVAC
system for the residental market. It is 2X as efficient
as anything Carrier or anyone else has. *But, I've
just started production. You can get one next spring
through you building contractor. It will save people
50% on their heating and cooling. If asked, NO one
says they don't want one.

A big unstated factor is the installed price.

Good point. The examination of hvac systems to e cars
has an additional unparallel comparison, installation. That
is a one time fee. With e cars, their R & D might be the
unstated factor which the company must recoupe. So,
initally, the prices would be higher for them to make a
profit. Over time...the prices will fall as their R & D
investment is returned.

Assuming it is cost competive, then people will fall into groups:

Non-buyers:

People that don't want the big capital outlay as long as the current system
is working, i.e. the majority of people.

Maybe. But how do the majority of people (in America) fund their
big capital outlays? *They finance, and make monthly payments.
What is an electric bill? A monthly payment. Cut your electric
bill in half and now you can afford your new HVAC system. After
4 months you've paid off the installation portion of your investment.

On Sep 27, 9:56*pm, joeturn wrote:

Also, and I must apologize, but I've responded to
you without revisiting this topic, due to time
constraints. The final conclusion has yet to be
determined.