VFR Practise Approaches

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Suppose I want to transit a Class B under VFR to save time. All I have to do
is call up ATC before entering the airspace, get a clearance, and go.

You miss my point yet again, so I'll speel it out (yet again).

You assume you GET the clearance. If ATC does not grant you
your clearance into Class B, nor even responds to your call for Class B
clearance, you will not get into Class B. ATC does *NOT* have to
explicitly state that you remain outside of Class B airspace for you to
remain outside of Class B airspace.

7-9-2.a does supply the phraseology used to keep you outside of
Class Bravo airspace, but that doesn't mean that they must *answer your
initial call*. If they don't get to answering your call, that would be
just as much denial of entry into Class B as it would to hear "REMAIN
OUTSIDE OF CLASS BRAVO AIRSPACE."

My point the entire time is that ATC does not have to tell you
to remain outside of it for you to remain outside of it. In other
words, not responding to you at all is implicit denial of entry into
Class B.

What things can you NOT do in Class B in the absence of ATC restrictions that
you would be able to do outside the Class B? Be sure to cite the
regulation(s) that backs up your statement.

Simple. Fly your plane. Regulations? 7-9-2.a. You did not get
your Class Bravo clearance. AIM 3-2-3.e. You did not get your Class
Bravo clearance.

I am not saying that ATC won't ALWAYS tell you to remain
outside of Class B, but that with the way the .65T is worded, they
DON'T always have to tell you that, either. If you don't hear the magic
words, you don't get in. If you hear "remain outside of Class Bravo
airspace", or don't hear anything from them at all, you don't get in.

BL.
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Forgot to mention something here. My point, Anthony, is that
you go into this with the assumption that you will hear a response back
from ATC. If you don't hear a response back from ATC at all, that is
just as much crucial to your denial of Class B entry as hearing the
words "remain outside of Class Bravo airspace." In short, don't assume
that you will hear anything back, because if you don't, your Class B
plans are shot.

BL.
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