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From: "George Z. Bush"
Without nit picking too much, why don't we use the past tense in talking about the ratings held by the Bush family. Daddy's expired when he was demobilized at the end of WWII, and Junior's expired when he deliberately failed to update his flight physical. I agree about using the past tense. Now I know you strongly dislike Bush 2, but can you prove he "deliberately failed to update his flight physical?" There is enough to dislike about any president without inventing things. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:57:32 -0800, "David Pugh"
-cay wrote: "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message .. . Whether his medals or someone else's, the issue is not the ownership, but the oath--to protect and defend. To obey the lawful orders. Enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. These are phrases of meaning and relate to a commissioned officer, who never unless stripped of the rank is anything less, has an obligation to the President he serves and the warriors still in the fray. To undermine the support for half a million fighting men still in harm's way by leading protests against the duly elected government of his country--that's the sin. So, what is the proper course of conduct for an officer who truely believes the war is a mistake and that the best course of action is to withdraw as soon as possible? If that is the case, then undermining support for the war does not seem to be entirely inappropriate (provided it is a last resort and care is taken to avoid giving aiding the enemy -- ala Jane Fonda). Resignation of his/her commission is the start. Then removal of the uniform. Finally, a commitment to restrict the protest to the TRUTH. Much has been written about the Kerry statements in his senate testimony and public appearances on behalf of VVAW regarding atrocities, etc. which has been since proven false. Once one has done that, there really is no going back and wrapping oneself in the flag over honorable service. If the war was as evil as he testified, then he was right in protesting and apologizing for his service in such an evil endeavor. But, now he seems to seek approval for his actions, which were in support of an illegal, immoral war. Seem a bit hypocritical? Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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from: "Gord Beaman" (
(B2431) wrote: From: Mike Marron Good post. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ After scrolling down thru 100 lines ot text and a lousy "Good post" is all you have to add? You, sir, are truly the eptiome of AOLdom. And nothing's worse than ANY sort of praise or compliment from the likes of YOU! Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer Geeze, marron, lay off the guy. It is possible to disagree with someone without being nasty about it. "Good post" is elegant in its simplicity. Would you rather he wrote a term paper in response? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Exactly...you're about 'this' close to qualifying for your windbag certificate maroon. -- -Gord. Gee Gord, how do I get one of those? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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Gord wrote:
Exactly...you're about 'this' close to qualifying for your windbag certificate maroon. Dan asked: Gee Gord, how do I get one of those? Dan! Don't you remember rule no 2? Never volunteer? oxmoron1 |
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![]() "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:10:05 -0500, "George Z. Bush" wrote: Ed Rasimus wrote: Both, however, are military rated pilots. Which places them considerably above two stripe enlisted journalist assistants with curtailed combat tours and personal body-guards in terms of their military service. Without nit picking too much, why don't we use the past tense in talking about the ratings held by the Bush family. Daddy's expired when he was demobilized at the end of WWII, and Junior's expired when he deliberately failed to update his flight physical. Just one small difference. Don't know about yours, but my wings don't expire, whether I get a physical or not. Neither does my similar, but not as highly valued FAA license. They are lifetime awards. The currency of a flight physical merely enables me to exercise the privileges. No expirations. Gee, as if I didn't know that. I didn't say that anybody's wings expired.....I was talking about the recipient's entitlement to pilot military aircraft. Your privileges expire when your physical expires.....but you already knew that, and I'm surprised that you felt so insecure as to feel obliged to parse my meaning when at least 99 of every 100 former military pilots could figure out exactly what I was talking about from the words I used. And while we're at it, I may have missed the early part of this exchange, but I thought we were talking about Kerry.....I didn't know he was a two stripe enlisted journalist assistant. The stripes he had were the kind Navy commissioned officers wear, I do believe. We were talking, I thought about presidential candidates. And, we did discuss the appropriateness of commissioned officers behavior elsewhere in the thread. Yes, we've recognized repeatedly that Kerry holds a commission. Surprised he didn't recall the appropriateness of wearing ribbons with fatigue uniforms. I can't speak to that but perhaps some memories are less perfect than others. George Z. |
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![]() "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:15:59 -0500, "George Z. Bush" wrote: Ed Rasimus wrote: On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 04:38:17 -0500, Cub Driver wrote: My credibility can always be challenged on things I've said, but please not on things you've misinterpreted. Perhaps my misinterpretations, if that's what they are, can be attributed to some of your misleading or imprecise verbiage. Sorry I hurt your feelings. George Z. |
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![]() "OXMORON1" wrote in message ... George wrote: I didn't notice such pious statements of patriotism when Clinton was President. Whether by civilians or military, or deserved or not, he was vilified and besmirched on numerous occasions and nobody was muzzled because of it. Turn about being fair play, I think those who happily dished it out in the past need to stop whining and learn how to take it. I guess this means that we shouldn't refer to William Jefferson C as a "C#@ksu&$er" since he was on the recieving end of the oral sex, but wait.. he said he didn't have sex with that woman and since he is a politician, he can't possibly tell an untruth. Whatever he did was done between two consenting ADULTS, for which there was no conviction of either of them in a criminal court. However immoral you might consider those acts to have been, they did not result in the loss of a single life of a member of our armed forces. Our present CIC has told a few whoppers and wishes he could be absolved for the losses that ensued from them. Jeeze people, none of this crap has nothing to do with aviation directly. True, but if it shows up here, you can expect people to deal with it here. Also remember, not one Russki bomber crossed the ADIZ in the Gulf of Mexico, Texas area, without being intercepted during Bush's service in the TXANG. oxmoron I'm not too sure about the MS and LA areas. |
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On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:04:07 -0500, "George Z. Bush"
wrote: "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message .. . Without nit picking too much, why don't we use the past tense in talking about the ratings held by the Bush family. Daddy's expired when he was demobilized at the end of WWII, and Junior's expired when he deliberately failed to update his flight physical. Just one small difference. Don't know about yours, but my wings don't expire, whether I get a physical or not. Neither does my similar, but not as highly valued FAA license. They are lifetime awards. The currency of a flight physical merely enables me to exercise the privileges. No expirations. Gee, as if I didn't know that. I didn't say that anybody's wings expired.....I was talking about the recipient's entitlement to pilot military aircraft. Your privileges expire when your physical expires.....but you already knew that, and I'm surprised that you felt so insecure as to feel obliged to parse my meaning when at least 99 of every 100 former military pilots could figure out exactly what I was talking about from the words I used. I think your statement was "'past tense when talking about the ratings held". My rating as a pilot hasn't expired, nor my FAA license. Your statement was quite clear. When you leave active duty, whether your physical is current or not, you lose the "entitlement to pilot military aircraft". I can't walk out to the flight line at Buckley, even with a current physical and strap on an F-16. I think the parsing is coming from your side. And, piloting military aircraft isn't an "entitlement." It's an earned privilege. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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In message , Tom Cervo
writes quoting Hackworth Hey, I am one of those: I took a swing at Clark during the Kosovo campaign when I thought he screwed up the operation, and I called him a "Perfumed Prince." Only years later did I discover from his book and other research that I was wrong-the blame should have been worn by British timidity and William Cohen, U.S. SecDef at the time. Right. Instead of leaving the Russians to enjoy a moment of glory before finding themselves isolated and helpless, begging for food and water, we should have shot our way into the airfield they'd just grabbed (presumably shooting at them if they declined to leave peacefully? Or was that going to be blamed on 'inefficient subordinates'?) This is meant to be a wise, sensible and considered strategic decision? It could be said that a wise commander would have considered the possibility in advance and made some plans; or at least issued a warning order covering the possibility.. "British timidity"? Just how many reservists was the US mobilising for a ground offensive into Kosovo? I seem to recall the option being categorically ruled out in the US... but we were getting ready to sign Queen's Orders. (Out of interest, just why was Clark condemned to rely on the UK's famously reluctant, fearful and combat-averse Parachute Regiment, when he presumably had his choice of US and other NATO units to dispatch?) Sorry, but Hackworth is more interested in pandering to prejudice than rational analysis. (For instance, his cheerful bluster about the "useless" 9mm pistol and the "ineffective" M16 family... tell you what, he can stand in front of me and I'll put a few rounds from either into him; then he can tell me how "ineffective" they are) -- When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
Ribbons on fatigues??? Who the hell did that? JFKerry: |
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