Soviet "examinations" of Apollo Moon rocks

nt (Krztalizer) wrote in message ...
under the old Soviet system you would never have even known
existed.

Such irony.

Disagree. If USSR would exist now Internet would be very well
known and in use.

....by all three of the people that could afford computers.
Of coures, there
would also be a KGB guy standing over their shoulder, copying down every
website they visited.

Hm.. Sounds like a paranoya, Gordon. You have not seen
a single KGB guy in person but your trousers are already full.


There would be certainly some restrictions
like those recently reported in China for instance which certainly
cannot significantly stop free spread of information.

If the government can tell you which sites to visit, its not "free spread" of
anything.

One have to weight sometimes "free spread of ****" vs. good and
meaningful life, healthy next generations and quiet old age.
I now Gordon you prefer "free spread of ****".


Like
a telephone for instance it is simply too important invention in order
anyone can ignore or ban it. BTW telephone was pretty well known
in USSR as well as all other telecommunication technologies

Right, Comrade... tell us how free it was under the Old System that you knew
and loved so well

Hm. When I told I love Old System, Gordon? I just say that ordinary
people had a better meaningful life than rather then now
despite of all money opportunities some may have now.
Look Gordon I just bought home theather as a new year present
to my wife. Perfect picture, perfect sound Ffilmateks are full of DVD
of any kind but Gordon there is nothing or almost nothing to see
but Hollywwod **** in unlimited amounts. That's all.
Certainly soviet political and economical system reached its limits
and could not mantain itself any more due to mainly leadership
problems. BTW USA, as far as I can see follows USSR at very high
speed.


However there is irony indeed that internet (US invention)
kills US propaganda media by free disrtibution of true info and true
foreign public opinions on US politics in US itself.

Sorta proves that our government doesn't bother trying to restrict access.

No US gov. is one of most active in this field. Encryption restrictions
for istance, Eshelon project, media is total under gov. control etc.
99% of population is spending every night with Jey Lenno jokes.
what's very boring life indeed!

Michael

Hm.. Sounds like a paranoya, Gordon. You have not seen
a single KGB guy in person but your trousers are already full.


I have been within yards of KGB warships and the bullnecked stereotype in a
cheap suit that hovered behind Yevgeny Frolov (chief test pilot at Sukhoi at
the time I met him) every time we spoke. As for trousers, I suppose you have
nothing at all in yours, comrade?

If the government can tell you which sites to visit, its not "free spread"
of
anything.

One have to weight sometimes "free spread of ****" vs. good and
meaningful life, healthy next generations and quiet old age.

You need someone in your government to decide what is good enough for you vs
what is not? Goebbels must be smiling in his grave.



I now Gordon you prefer "free spread of ****".


I'm reading your post, proving your point.

Right, Comrade... tell us how free it was under the Old System that you
knew
and loved so well

Hm. When I told I love Old System, Gordon?

Oh, please. You practically pine for the old days with every posting you make.
"It was so safe back then", blah blah blah - no wonder it took people like you
70 years to realize your model of government was a travesty.

I just say that ordinary
people had a better meaningful life than rather then now
despite of all money opportunities some may have now.

That's not the US' fault - and if you have forgotten the drudgery under the
Soviet system, the rest of us have not. Russia and the republics will be
paying for their participation in the failed Communist experiment for decades
to come - in ruined land, poisoned citizens, and heartbreak enough for
everyone. Oura poboda!

Look Gordon I just bought home theather as a new year present
to my wife. Perfect picture, perfect sound Ffilmateks are full of DVD
of any kind

Under the Soviet system, you would have to have been one of the privledged
elite to afford such things, and there would always be a chance you would be
publicly denounced for your coveting of foreign products.

but Gordon there is nothing or almost nothing to see
but Hollywwod **** in unlimited amounts. That's all.

Let me guess - you don't have a _single_ Hollywood movie in your DVD
collection? Really?

Certainly soviet political and economical system reached its limits
and could not mantain itself any more due to mainly leadership
problems.

Agree.


BTW USA, as far as I can see follows
USSR at very high speed.

Probably true. All societies exist like a living organism; all of the great
nations rose and fell before us and there is no reason to believe that our
power will wane in due time. What makes us substantially different than
earlier "superpower states" is that like Phoenicia, our power is largely
economic. Unlike them, we have global superiority in both numbers and quality
of weapons and a technological lead in many areas. That makes us more like the
Romans, who survived a long but tragic history, the same way I believe we will.
But I agree with your position that we will follow the USSR into history at
some point.


No US gov. is one of most active in this field. Encryption restrictions
for istance, Eshelon project, media is total under gov. control etc.
99% of population is spending every night with Jey Lenno jokes.
what's very boring life indeed!

Funny, that claim - behind the open window of this response, AOL is repeatedly
flashing a news headline, "Bush gives in on investigation", so does Blair,
according to the text. I would think a president impervious to our press and
public opinion wouldn't have agreed to an investigation into the CIA intel
debacle unless he felt he had no choice. That is our system working, and its
the difference between the USSR's failure and our success.

Gordon

nt (Krztalizer) wrote in message ...

Hm.. Sounds like a paranoya, Gordon. You have not seen
a single KGB guy in person but your trousers are already full.


I have been within yards of KGB warships and the bullnecked stereotype in a
cheap suit that hovered behind Yevgeny Frolov (chief test pilot at Sukhoi at
the time I met him) every time we spoke.

So what? he told you he is from KGB or what? Or more likely you just
did not like his face or his nice well trained bullneck. BTW Gordon
what did you, russophobe do with chief test pilot at Sukhoi? Spying?
BTW for your info bullneck was never KGB style. I have not been
there but most likely the guy was a guard only.

As for trousers, I suppose you have nothing at all in yours, comrade?

sounds very ambiguous for your part. Do you realise that?


If the government can tell you which sites to visit, its not "free spread"
of
anything.

One have to weight sometimes "free spread of ****" vs. good and
meaningful life, healthy next generations and quiet old age.

You need someone in your government to decide what is good enough for you vs
what is not?

Depends on the thing and on the goverment, I guess. There are many things
which are not for everyone use. And not only porno which approach now
50% of modern internet.

Goebbels must be smiling in his grave.

Goebbels committed suicide only because he had no other option
but to surrender to Russians.


I now Gordon you prefer "free spread of ****".


I'm reading your post, proving your point.

Right, Comrade... tell us how free it was under the Old System that you
knew
and loved so well

Hm. When I told I love Old System, Gordon?

Oh, please. You practically pine for the old days with every posting you make.
"It was so safe back then", blah blah blah - no wonder it took people like you
70 years to realize your model of government was a travesty.

I do not think that travesty is right and fair word for that.
Moreover not only you had full trousers in view one KGB agent,
your goverment did many times too.


I just say that ordinary
people had a better meaningful life than rather then now
despite of all money opportunities some may have now.

That's not the US' fault - and if you have forgotten the drudgery under the
Soviet system, the rest of us have not. Russia and the republics will be
paying for their participation in the failed Communist experiment for decades
to come - in ruined land, poisoned citizens, and heartbreak enough for
everyone. Oura poboda!

And what does that mean?


Look Gordon I just bought home theather as a new year present
to my wife. Perfect picture, perfect sound Ffilmateks are full of DVD
of any kind

Under the Soviet system, you would have to have been one of the privledged
elite to afford such things, and there would always be a chance you would be
publicly denounced for your coveting of foreign products.

but Gordon there is nothing or almost nothing to see
but Hollywwod **** in unlimited amounts. That's all.

Let me guess - you don't have a _single_ Hollywood movie in your DVD
collection? Really?

Right. Not a single one. although there are some I like.
Capricorn I for instance, is not that bad. Right?
There some others as well JFK for instance is one of my favorite.



Certainly soviet political and economical system reached its limits
and could not mantain itself any more due to mainly leadership
problems.

Agree.


BTW USA, as far as I can see follows
USSR at very high speed.

Probably true. All societies exist like a living organism; all of the great
nations rose and fell before us and there is no reason to believe that our
power will wane in due time. What makes us substantially different than
earlier "superpower states" is that like Phoenicia, our power is largely
economic. Unlike them, we have global superiority in both numbers and quality
of weapons and a technological lead in many areas. That makes us more like the
Romans, who survived a long but tragic history, the same way I believe we will.
But I agree with your position that we will follow the USSR into history at
some point.

Are you serious? This is ridiculus Gordon. US military superiority
ended in the very beginning of 60s when we got enough nukes on duty for
counter strike. Since that time there were no any significant
changes in that field. US can certainly gorge a couple of small
defenceless countries without any significant force support like
Serbs or Iraq. But it is not for free. Every single time the price
is huge, the price is image of your country as fair and strong
supporter of freedome justise in the world. It was simply US
main political capital, which has totally disappeared nowdays.
Totally! You did not noticed Gordon but that's why now US has to
do its dirty job on its own. Very expansive politics.

What else? economy. what stability can economy have with 6 tril
in debts and 521 bil of deficits this year only? Dollar lost 40%
since 2002. All talks about booming US economy last year is no more than
manipulations with numbers. Ask yourself how it can grow at 7% rate
with increasing unimployment. Who did all those 7%.
Catastrophy is coming, catastrophy! Take my good advice
immideately, right now drop everything an go and
convert all your savings into euros, yens, gold diamonds etc or
even russian rubles if they have ones until it is too late.



No US gov. is one of most active in this field. Encryption restrictions
for istance, Eshelon project, media is total under gov. control etc.
99% of population is spending every night with Jey Lenno jokes.
what's very boring life indeed!

Funny, that claim - behind the open window of this response, AOL is repeatedly
flashing a news headline, "Bush gives in on investigation", so does Blair,
according to the text. I would think a president impervious to our press and
public opinion wouldn't have agreed to an investigation into the CIA intel
debacle unless he felt he had no choice. That is our system working, and its
the difference between the USSR's failure and our success.

It was working for some time indeed. But in my view it was working
mainly due strong help from Moscow without which US would never
be able to unite so called West. This was the key. Right? Let's see how does
it can work without such help, on its own. So far results of last
10-15 years are simply catastrophic. Actually all capital US had in
1991 was totally wasted without any significant gains but losses.


Michael

Gordon