Why We Lost The Vietnam War

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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The UK is not tiny. Others are much bigger, but the UK is "not" small.

Depends on your point of view. The UK is a bit smaller than the state of
Oregon, and there are eight US states larger than Oregon. From a US
perspective, the UK is small.

You lack basic logic and reasoning. The point: The UK is not small. It is
not is the answer, not babble about US states.

Also the UK is not full of useless deserts,

Nor is the US.

It is. I have been though most.

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Depends on your point of view. The UK is a bit smaller than the state of
Oregon, and there are eight US states larger than Oregon. From a US
perspective, the UK is small.

You lack basic logic and reasoning. The point: The UK is not small. It is
not is the answer, not babble about US states.

From the point of view of travelling around it, the UK is very small
by US standards. In the USA, an airline that serves approximately
the area of the UK is a small local airline of no national import,
and it is expected to fly considerably different aircraft from a
national or international airline.

This applies in general when one moves out of Europe. Europe is
very densely populated, with numerous large cities within a few
hours' driving time of each other. (I live in Minneapolis, MN,
in the 15th largest metro area in the US. The closest bigger
one is Chicago, and that's eight hours' drive away.) In most of
the world, the distance between major population centers is much
higher than in Western Europe.

What works well in the UK for a transportation system doesn't
necessarily work well over the rest of the world.

--
David H. Thornley | If you want my opinion, ask.
| If you don't, flee.
http://www.thornley.net/~thornley/david/ | O-

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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Depends on your point of view. The UK is a bit smaller than the state
of
Oregon, and there are eight US states larger than Oregon. From a US
perspective, the UK is small.

You lack basic logic and reasoning. The point: The UK is not small. It
is
not is the answer, not babble about US states.

From the point of view of travelling around it, the UK is very small
by US standards.

But it is massive by Holland standards. Once again the UK is not small. We
have long distance truck drivers who require overnight stops running up and
down the place.

What works well in the UK for a transportation system doesn't
necessarily work well over the rest of the world.

That is why we still have the train. The Victorians left us this brilliant
legacy. You can go from the centre of London to the centre of Liverpool or
Manchester in 2.5 to 3 hours. The plane ride is approx 1/2 hours in the
air. Yet to get to the airport, get the plane, and the reverse at the other
end means you will be doing it in 4 hours centre to centre minimum. The
train is far better and far more comfortable than a plane. They have a bar
you can walk up to and lean on too.

The Eurostar, when they get the track filly high speed ready, will do centre
to centre London - Paris in about 3 hours or less. Beats the plane by a
mile.

"Spiv" wrote in message
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But it is massive by Holland standards. Once again the UK is not small.


You're contradicting yourself. If the UK is massive by Holland standards,
then the US is certainly gargantuan by UK standards, and the UK is small by
US standards. It all depends on one's point of view.

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"Spiv" wrote in message
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But it is massive by Holland standards. Once again the UK is not small.


You're contradicting yourself. If the UK is massive by Holland standards,
then the US is certainly gargantuan by UK standards, and the UK is small
by
US standards. It all depends on one's point of view.

I'm not comparing the UK with others. I am looking at the UK. It is not
small.

"Spiv" wrote in message
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I'm not comparing the UK with others. I am looking at the UK. It is not
small.


I am looking at the UK too. It is small.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Spiv" wrote in message
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I'm not comparing the UK with others. I am looking at the UK. It is not
small.


I am looking at the UK too. It is small.



I have been following this "discussion"? with amusement and would like
to make the following contributions:

I recall that at one time every page of most atlases used in British
schools tended to have a corner insert of the British Isles to provide a
sense of scale - invariably they were tiny by comparison with the
countries being depicted.

I am old enough to have seen the Brabazon in the air, and it certainly
gave me the impression of a large but ungainly aircraft which was being
handled with great care. I have also flown in Britannias, Viscounts and
Vanguards; and while I found all three comfortable it should be obvious
to anyone that the Viscount was the only successful one.

I recall that during that time there was a large body of opinion, which
included me, that anything "made in England" was the best and foreign
stuff just couldn't stack up (especially that Japanese junk!). I had
friends who were convinced that the British destruction of the German
Naval Base at Helgoland was actually the British test of a nuclear
weapon. This attitude can still be seen on ancient British TV and
Movies.

Luckily I, and most of my generation, grew up and realized that the Sun
was indeed setting on the Empire and other peoples were capable of
building stuff which was just as good (sometimes even perhaps a little
better) than British stuff.

The days of the Brabazon closely followed the heyday of the "SPIV",
probably best defined as one whose words were, to put it politely, not
to be taken at face value.

I shall continue to follow this threat if for no other reason than to
see who finally gets the last word.

Dave

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I'm not comparing the UK with others. I am looking at the UK. It is
not
small.


I am looking at the UK too. It is small.

It holds 60 million people and can easy hold 30 million more. It is big

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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Spiv" wrote in message
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I'm not comparing the UK with others. I am looking at the UK. It is not
small.

I am looking at the UK too. It is small.

Having looked at Russia (from flights out to Japan) the USA is small
and the UK very small..

--
Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group
http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/
"Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock
and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas)

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I'm not comparing the UK with others. I am looking at the UK. It is not
small.



Its 2/3 the size of Germany
Its 1/2 the size of Iraq
Its 1/2 the size of France
Its 40% of the size of Afghanistan
Its 3% of the size of the USA
Its 2 % of the size of the Russian Federation

London is closer to Tunis than Seattle is to Washington DC

The UK falls on the sall side of the distribution curve
in geographic terms