Bush on WMD: None so blind as those who would not see

"Kal Alexander" wrote in message
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mondaymorning wrote:
As I remember, Everyone thought there were WMD's. If anyone lied it
was Sadam.

Remember why the USA started to isult its allies ? Why do you think

(SNIP remaining democrappy propaganda)

I think she meant before the demorats got mad about Bush
kicking Gore's lying ass and decided that attacking
Bush was more important than stopping mass murder,
rape, etc.

When did we adopt stopping mass murder and rape as a national policy? Seems to
me that Clinton took a lot of heat for involving us in what used to be called
Yugoslavia, when the Serbs decided that killing their Muslim neighbors and
raping their womenfolk would be good sport. AIR, the only Repug who thought we
ought to be doing something about it at the time was Bob Dole, and he had
precious little support from his own party in his views.

George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ...

When did we adopt stopping mass murder and rape as a national policy? Seems to
me that Clinton took a lot of heat for involving us in what used to be called
Yugoslavia, when the Serbs decided that killing their Muslim neighbors and
raping their womenfolk would be good sport. AIR, the only Repug who thought we
ought to be doing something about it at the time was Bob Dole, and he had
precious little support from his own party in his views.


Perhaps you do not remember the highly successful American intervention
in Bosnia under Geroge H. Bush.

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When did we adopt stopping mass murder and rape as a national policy? Seems
to
me that Clinton took a lot of heat for involving us in what used to be
called
Yugoslavia, when the Serbs decided that killing their Muslim neighbors and
raping their womenfolk would be good sport. AIR, the only Repug who thought
we
ought to be doing something about it at the time was Bob Dole, and he had
precious little support from his own party in his views.


Perhaps you do not remember the highly successful American intervention
in Bosnia under Geroge H. Bush.

I'm afraid that I don't. But then, neither do you. Our intervention in Bosnia
took place in early December of 1995. Do you recall who was our President back
then?

Perhaps you confused it with the Gulf War, when Sadaam invaded Kuwait and we
were afraid he was going to keep on going into the rest of Saudi Arabia. Apart
from the fairy tales we were sold about pre-natal babies being evicted from
their incubators, or whatever they call those things, that one was pretty much
all about oil, and that was the one that George H. W. Bush started but didn't
quite finish.

George Z.

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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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When did we adopt stopping mass murder and rape as a national policy? Seems
to
me that Clinton took a lot of heat for involving us in what used to be
called
Yugoslavia, when the Serbs decided that killing their Muslim neighbors and
raping their womenfolk would be good sport. AIR, the only Repug who thought
we
ought to be doing something about it at the time was Bob Dole, and he had
precious little support from his own party in his views.


Perhaps you do not remember the highly successful American intervention
in Bosnia under Geroge H. Bush.

I'm afraid that I don't. But then, neither do you. Our intervention in Bosnia
took place in early December of 1995. Do you recall who was our President back
then?


You are confusing Bosnia with Kosovo.

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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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When did we adopt stopping mass murder and rape as a national policy?
Seems
to
me that Clinton took a lot of heat for involving us in what used to be
called
Yugoslavia, when the Serbs decided that killing their Muslim neighbors
and
raping their womenfolk would be good sport. AIR, the only Repug who
thought
we
ought to be doing something about it at the time was Bob Dole, and he
had
precious little support from his own party in his views.


Perhaps you do not remember the highly successful American intervention
in Bosnia under Geroge H. Bush.

I'm afraid that I don't. But then, neither do you. Our intervention in
Bosnia
took place in early December of 1995. Do you recall who was our President
back
then?


You are confusing Bosnia with Kosovo.

AAMOF, I'm not. Neither of the Bushes had anything to do with either of
them.....they happened on Clinton's watch, Bosnia in December 1995 and Kosovo in
March 1999.

George Z.

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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ...
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

When did we adopt stopping mass murder and rape as a national policy? Seems
to
me that Clinton took a lot of heat for involving us in what used to be
called
Yugoslavia, when the Serbs decided that killing their Muslim neighbors and
raping their womenfolk would be good sport. AIR, the only Repug who thought
we
ought to be doing something about it at the time was Bob Dole, and he had
precious little support from his own party in his views.


Perhaps you do not remember the highly successful American intervention
in Bosnia under Geroge H. Bush.

I'm afraid that I don't. But then, neither do you. Our intervention in Bosnia
took place in early December of 1995.

NATO first declared a no-fly zone onver Bosnia in October, 1992,
under Bush. NATO began fighting in Bosnia in earnest in September,
1995. The Bush policy was continued and expanded under Clinton.

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FF

Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

When did we adopt stopping mass murder and rape as a national policy?
Seems
to
me that Clinton took a lot of heat for involving us in what used to be
called
Yugoslavia, when the Serbs decided that killing their Muslim neighbors and
raping their womenfolk would be good sport. AIR, the only Repug who
thought
we
ought to be doing something about it at the time was Bob Dole, and he had
precious little support from his own party in his views.


Perhaps you do not remember the highly successful American intervention
in Bosnia under Geroge H. Bush.

I'm afraid that I don't. But then, neither do you. Our intervention in
Bosnia took place in early December of 1995.

NATO first declared a no-fly zone onver Bosnia in October, 1992,
under Bush. NATO began fighting in Bosnia in earnest in September,
1995. The Bush policy was continued and expanded under Clinton.

The following was dated December 18, 1995. I wonder why they had their dates
so screwed up way back then.

U.S. Troops Begin Bosnia Intervention

BY MAURICE WILLIAMS

U.S. president Bill Clinton is moving at full steam to implement Washington's
decision to send 20,000 troops to Bosnia as part of a 60,000-strong NATO
occupation force. "This task force is ready to roll," he told U.S. soldiers
in Germany December 2. They will be among the first of the NATO units in
Bosnia.
Gearing up for war, Clinton told the GIs they would be heavily armed and
could respond "immediately and with decisive force" to hostilities.
The White House is deploying such a massive force in a workers state for the
first time in decades. The State Department's official goal is to enforce the
partition of Bosnia, agreed to by the warring regimes in the former Yugoslav
republics in a deal brokered by Washington on a military base in Dayton,
Ohio, November 21. The masters of the U.S. empire are trying to boost their
military and economic domination of the region, get one up on their European
competitors, particularly Paris and Bonn, and take a stab at re-establishing
capitalism in the former Yugoslavia.
The first NATO unit composed of 28 soldiers landed in Sarajevo December 4 and
included two GIs. Some 3,000 U.S. soldiers are imminently expected to arrive
in Kaposvar, Hungary, for a brief stopover on the way to Bosnia by train.
Overall, 32,000 U.S. military personnel will be involved in the action,
including the 20,000 GIs in Bosnia, 5,000 in Croatia, and 7,000 support
troops in Hungary and Italy.
The parliament in Germany voted December 6 to approve sending 4,000 German
soldiers to the Balkans - Bonn's largest military mission abroad since World
War II.

Judging from the words of our own Secretary of State in addressing the NATO
foreign and defense ministers in Brussels, Belgium on December 5, 1995, he seems
to have been under the impression that NATO was not yet involved. Take a look:

"Mr. Acting Secretary-General, distinguished colleagues: It is a
great privilege for Secretary Perry and me to speak with you today on
behalf of the United States and President Clinton. For the first time
in NATO's history, all 16 of our foreign ministers and all 16 of our
defense ministers are meeting together. As we prepare to launch this
historic mission in Bosnia, our Alliance has never been more united."

I think I'll stick with my 1995 starting date. At least I can produce some
evidence that backs it up.

George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ...
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
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NATO first declared a no-fly zone onver Bosnia in October, 1992,
under Bush. NATO began fighting in Bosnia in earnest in September,
1995. The Bush policy was continued and expanded under Clinton.

The following was dated December 18, 1995. I wonder why they had their dates
so screwed up way back then.

U.S. Troops Begin Bosnia Intervention

BY MAURICE WILLIAMS

U.S. president Bill Clinton is moving at full steam to implement Washington's
decision to send 20,000 troops to Bosnia as part of a 60,000-strong NATO
occupation force. "This task force is ready to roll," he told U.S. soldiers
in Germany December 2. They will be among the first of the NATO units in
Bosnia.
Gearing up for war, Clinton told the GIs they would be heavily armed and
could respond "immediately and with decisive force" to hostilities.
The White House is deploying such a massive force in a workers state for the
first time in decades. The State Department's official goal is to enforce the
partition of Bosnia, agreed to by the warring regimes in the former Yugoslav
republics in a deal brokered by Washington on a military base in Dayton,
Ohio, November 21. The masters of the U.S. empire are trying to boost their
military and economic domination of the region, get one up on their European
competitors, particularly Paris and Bonn, and take a stab at re-establishing
capitalism in the former Yugoslavia.
The first NATO unit composed of 28 soldiers landed in Sarajevo December 4 and
included two GIs. Some 3,000 U.S. soldiers are imminently expected to arrive
in Kaposvar, Hungary, for a brief stopover on the way to Bosnia by train.
Overall, 32,000 U.S. military personnel will be involved in the action,
including the 20,000 GIs in Bosnia, 5,000 in Croatia, and 7,000 support
troops in Hungary and Italy.
The parliament in Germany voted December 6 to approve sending 4,000 German
soldiers to the Balkans - Bonn's largest military mission abroad since World
War II.

Judging from the words of our own Secretary of State in addressing the NATO
foreign and defense ministers in Brussels, Belgium on December 5, 1995, he seems
to have been under the impression that NATO was not yet involved. Take a look:

"Mr. Acting Secretary-General, distinguished colleagues: It is a
great privilege for Secretary Perry and me to speak with you today on
behalf of the United States and President Clinton. For the first time
in NATO's history, all 16 of our foreign ministers and all 16 of our
defense ministers are meeting together. As we prepare to launch this
historic mission in Bosnia, our Alliance has never been more united."

I think I'll stick with my 1995 starting date. At least I can produce some
evidence that backs it up.


Thanks.

It was the UN which declared the no-flight zone in October 1992. NATO
first began considering enforcement of it late in 1992:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=na...uic.edu&rnum=2

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=na...m=1&fil ter=0

NATO airstrikes in Bosnia were reported on Nightline, Sept 12,1995:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ai...num=1&filter=0

Clinton was president.

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FF

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
...
NATO first declared a no-fly zone onver Bosnia in October, 1992,
under Bush. NATO began fighting in Bosnia in earnest in September,
1995. The Bush policy was continued and expanded under Clinton.

The following was dated December 18, 1995. I wonder why they had their
dates
so screwed up way back then.

U.S. Troops Begin Bosnia Intervention

BY MAURICE WILLIAMS

U.S. president Bill Clinton is moving at full steam to implement
Washington's
decision to send 20,000 troops to Bosnia as part of a 60,000-strong NATO
occupation force. "This task force is ready to roll," he told U.S.
soldiers
in Germany December 2. They will be among the first of the NATO units in
Bosnia.
Gearing up for war, Clinton told the GIs they would be heavily armed and
could respond "immediately and with decisive force" to hostilities.
The White House is deploying such a massive force in a workers state for
the
first time in decades. The State Department's official goal is to enforce
the
partition of Bosnia, agreed to by the warring regimes in the former
Yugoslav
republics in a deal brokered by Washington on a military base in Dayton,
Ohio, November 21. The masters of the U.S. empire are trying to boost
their
military and economic domination of the region, get one up on their
European
competitors, particularly Paris and Bonn, and take a stab at
re-establishing
capitalism in the former Yugoslavia.
The first NATO unit composed of 28 soldiers landed in Sarajevo December 4
and
included two GIs. Some 3,000 U.S. soldiers are imminently expected to
arrive
in Kaposvar, Hungary, for a brief stopover on the way to Bosnia by train.
Overall, 32,000 U.S. military personnel will be involved in the action,
including the 20,000 GIs in Bosnia, 5,000 in Croatia, and 7,000 support
troops in Hungary and Italy.
The parliament in Germany voted December 6 to approve sending 4,000 German
soldiers to the Balkans - Bonn's largest military mission abroad since
World
War II.

Judging from the words of our own Secretary of State in addressing the NATO
foreign and defense ministers in Brussels, Belgium on December 5, 1995, he
seems
to have been under the impression that NATO was not yet involved. Take a
look:

"Mr. Acting Secretary-General, distinguished colleagues: It is a
great privilege for Secretary Perry and me to speak with you today on
behalf of the United States and President Clinton. For the first time
in NATO's history, all 16 of our foreign ministers and all 16 of our
defense ministers are meeting together. As we prepare to launch this
historic mission in Bosnia, our Alliance has never been more united."

I think I'll stick with my 1995 starting date. At least I can produce some
evidence that backs it up.


Thanks.

It was the UN which declared the no-flight zone in October 1992. NATO
first began considering enforcement of it late in 1992:


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=na...uic.edu&rnum=2

The above cite was a link to an editorial from the NY Times. While the UN may
have declared a no-fly zone over Bosnia, it apparently wasn't enforced by
anybody, and certainly not by NATO. Here's how the editorial put it:

"in defiance of a no-fly order declared by the U.N. When will the West bestir
itself long enough to enforce this order?"



http://groups.google.com/groups?q=na...m=1&fil ter=0

NATO airstrikes in Bosnia were reported on Nightline, Sept 12,1995:


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ai...num=1&filter=0

And here's the cruz of what is applicable from the above link:

"The United States and its NATO allies formally agreed to give the United
Nations
military plans for enforcing a no-fly zone over Bosnia that includes shooting
down Serbian warplanes."

So, if that happened in 1992 and it took 3 years to get around to having NATO
actually do something about it, I think I'll still stick with 1995 as the
starting date.

Clinton was president.

My point exactly.

George Z.

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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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When did we adopt stopping mass murder and rape as a national policy? Seems
to
me that Clinton took a lot of heat for involving us in what used to be
called
Yugoslavia, when the Serbs decided that killing their Muslim neighbors and
raping their womenfolk would be good sport. AIR, the only Repug who thought
we
ought to be doing something about it at the time was Bob Dole, and he had
precious little support from his own party in his views.


Perhaps you do not remember the highly successful American intervention
in Bosnia under Geroge H. Bush.

I'm afraid that I don't. But then, neither do you. Our intervention in Bosnia
took place in early December of 1995.

NATO declared a no-fly zone over Bosnia in October 1992. NATO attacks in
Bosnia began in earnest in September, 1995. It was a Bush admininstration
action that was continued and expanded under Clinton.

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